re: MU baseball enters the Top 25

Ahhhhh went back just far enough to include the LSU start that was admittedly bad. We will agree to disagree. And it's not hindsight. Beiser started a pitcher who had 1 start before that instead of a guy who would have the same number of starts as Sikemma had he started the UF game.

7 runs is a huge issue and I am dumbfounded on why Beiser's teams just sputter out at the end of each season. There were definitely some headscratching decisions but it's not like I imagine their plate approach changes.

Oh well. Out of our hands. Hopefully it's enough to impress the selection committee.

3 earned runs in 5.1 against a top 10 UGA isn't a bad outing.

2 earned runs in 6 innings against a down SC is ok.

2 earned runs in 3.2 innings against a top 25 UT is meh but doesn't justify starting a non starter.

Then brought him back against UT in relief and he gave up 3 after getting 2 outs, which is not good at all but is that his fault or Beiser?

5 runs in 3 innings against the number one of the best offenses in the nation isn't very good but not as bad as the LSU start. This is the only poor start out of the bunch.

Gave up 0 earned runs in 4 innings against UF which is outstanding.

I think you're going to extremes to defend Beiser when it's not needed. Beiser is solid but still has some learning to do himself. Either he shite the bed by starting Ash or he shite the bed by only starting Ash once before the UF game.

You and Beiser would pull Flaherty or Mikolas in the last series of the season when you need to win the series and you'd start Gant. No worries. Gant isn't bad. But if he was a better option or a "hotter hand" as you say, he would have started more than one game all season.

We can keep throwing number out all day long

The numbers that prove it was the wrong decision:
Cantlebury 0.00 ERA, 0 hits, 8 K's
Ash 9.00 ERA, 7 hits and 4 K's

Did Ash have a hotter hand? He had a EXCELLENT game against Vandy but in the 2 games before that he had an ERA of like 16.87.

Stat geeks can turn numbers anyway they want. You don't know that Ash wouldn't have had a 21.00 ERA if he started those games that Cantlebury started. At the end of the day, one was the Friday night starter all season and the other just had to do spot duties (and did a pretty solid job all season at it more times than not).

Go ahead and spin more numbers. I'll just leave it at I disagree.

On another note...a couple of sources have Mizzou in and a couple have us out. That is better than just a day ago.

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You and Beiser would pull Flaherty or Mikolas in the last series of the season

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Lol. This is asinine, but I'll play along. If either had an ERA over 7 and BAA over .350 for the previous month of appearances, you wouldn't consider it?

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At the end of the day, one was the Friday night starter all season

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Cantleberry wasn't a true Friday night SEC starter. He was a sacrificial anode that went 2-4 in conference play.
The play was to win with the #1 and #2 vs the opposing- #2 and #3 starters on Saturdays and Sundays. You were questioning that move at the beginning of the season. That's what "got them there". Not going 2-10 on Friday night.

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Stat geeks can turn numbers anyway they want.

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I accept your surrender.

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I'd be curious to know your thoughts on not starting Sikemma against OM

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On 3 days rest after 113 pitches? No, I don't start TJ.

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Beiser was a fool for not starting him all year.

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Stop moving the goalposts. This discussion was about a late season role change based on Cantleberry's performance over the last month of the season.

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As for surrender, if you think that's what this is all about, well then congrats I guess?

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Calling someone a stat geek because you choose to be obtuse to a lack of performance is surrending.

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he should have started TJ on Thursday and game 1 of the SECt

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You would have bitched about that for not "doing what got them there" because of your incredible hindsight.

Silent bats keep them out of the post season.

Alabama was the only team picked to finish beneath them in the SEC by the coaches pre season. It was a solid year but they wasted a great body of work by the pitching staff.

The staff finished the year ranked(nationally) 7th in ERA, 8th in hits allowed/9, 16th in Ks/9, and 25th in WHIP.

Scoring 7 total runs on a Florida squad that allowed over 6 a game in SEC play was a deal breaker.

I know most don't follow the baseball team but I really have a hard time putting my finger on the Bieser hire. The strengths of his teams have been pitching. Most of the top pitching he's had the last 3 years he inherited. The team has done some things that make you think he's heading in the right direction. But then there are so many things that make you scratch your head and wonder.

It will be interesting to see the progression of Bieser and Mizzou and Vitello in Tennessee. Like it or not, there will always be comparisons drawn. Tennessee in the tourney as a 2 seed this year. Beat #15 Ole Miss 2 of 3 in the last weekend. He didn't think he was smarter than the game and threw his best starter in the first game and set the tone. His team didn't implode and scored 18 runs in those 3 games.

Not the pitching staff simpleton. Bieser's management of the staff.

I could probably list off 10 things that led to them not making the tourney and yes, before you get your panties in a wad, the offense is on that list.

1. Disappearing bats. And this has been a repetitive problem under Bieser who is supposedly a hitting guru

2. Scheduling a weak as frick noncon schedule. Yes, that is on Bieser as well.

3. 3rd grade level defense on occasions. Misner dropping a routine flyball at first base late in a game when we had the lead comes to mind.

4. Passed balls. I like his bat, but McDaniel's technique behind the plate is horrible and contributed to 2 or 3 losses alone.

5. Bieser's in game calls. Whether it's when to run, when to bunt, when to hit and run.

6. Bieser's managment of the pitching staff at times is perplexing. Not throwing TJ in game 1 against UF and in the SECt is just one example. He's left guys in that should have been pulled and pulled guys when they were sailing.

7. Losing LaPlante. Glad this isn't in any kind of order otherwise this would be higher up the list. He was likely our #2 in the rotation. The staff itself was a plus on the team, but losing him was huge.

8. I lied and came up with 7 reasons that led to not making the tourney. You can feel free to take a simplistic view and blame the bats and you wouldn't be wrong, you would simply be ignoring all of the other things that have led to Mizzou not making the tourney in any of Bieser's first 3 years at Mizzou.