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Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:35 am to mosoblkcougar
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:35 am to mosoblkcougar
Jackson is really nothing like Puryear. He is a huge upside athlete. Puryear has a very polished offensive game, but not a great athlete.
The next 2 games are hugely important for KA. Lose both and Mizzou is looking at another 9-10 win season. And he's done here. Has to show he can win against legitimate competition.
The next 2 games are hugely important for KA. Lose both and Mizzou is looking at another 9-10 win season. And he's done here. Has to show he can win against legitimate competition.
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:39 am to wubilli
You're right, I meant more that he's a good player but short for his position. Puryear wanted to play the 3 when he was coming in after playing the 4 all through HS, which is the same as Jackson is doing. Both are too short to be effective P5 PF's but not sure either is quick enough to play and guard the 3. Kind of tweeners, like several on this team.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:44 am to wubilli
quote:KA will be here at least one more season unless he loses out from here. Book it.
he won't be here after the season.
And he should. You hire a coach you are in for a minimum of three years. It takes at least that long to find out what they are capable of unless they are already P5 proven. And churning through coaches is worse than a bad coach. Unless an absolute home run hire comes up which I don't see happening.
Things are improving over last year. The program is more stable. We are playing a lot of underclassman which could pay off next year. Haith left things an absolute mess. We will just have to see
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:04 am to MIZ_COU
Yeah, no. We're actually exactly where we were last year. 5-4 with wins over crap teams and blow outs vs P5 teams. We lost worse to Arizona than we did last year too. KA has done nothing to earn another year. I really don't get the love affair some have with KA, just because he used to play here? Support the program and do what's best for it, not the coach.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:36 am to mosoblkcougar
If the coaches name was John Doe who went to Acme University, not a soul would defend the job done so far. I could buy into the not wanting a coaching carousel argument but I'm not even sure that is convincing me he should get another year without turning things around this season
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:56 am to reedus23
Looking ahead, I see possible...possible...wins against Pine Bluff and Savannah.
Do we have a reasonable chance in any other games?
Do we have a reasonable chance in any other games?
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:25 am to Literalist
Mizzou hasn't played any P5 teams at home. The bottom half of the SEC, Illinois, & NC State aren't really very good. So there are still 10-12 games that Mizzou has a decent shot at winning. But only 2 that I would put Mizzou down as the favorite. Pine Bluff & Savannah are the two worst teams on Mizzous schedule.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:28 am to mosoblkcougar
quote:It's not a love affair with KA. Reread it again. If you're still not sure reread it again. You can argue about the improvement, but the rest is just reality. KA is here at least another year unless a miracle home run hire descends from heaven.
I really don't get the love affair some have with KA,
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:46 am to MIZ_COU
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KA is here at least another year
Agree. Kimbo will get year 3. Admin would say you can't turn dog crap into angel food cake in the second season.
But season 3 will have to be REALLY improved (probably NIT at the least) or there will be no doubt in even KA's firmest supporters' minds that it's time for a change.
Addition: If season 3 is another disaster, I wouldn't be surprised if KA resigns without a push. At 65, he'd have endured three years of misery. He'll be happy to bail.
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 11:50 am
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:48 am to Literalist
Mizzou BB History 101:
Anderson stopped recruiting and then left. Alden hired Haith out-of-left-field. Haith could not recruit with the Miami U mess used against him. Alden chose to stick with him. Haith "rewarded" Alden by leaving basically crap recruits and a team with no discipline. Alden then picked KA to coach.
KA just inherited this abortion from this band of bozos. KA loves Mizzou to his core. Give HCKA some time, some more time and then even more time. Lay-off of KA. Be silent and remember this history lesson. This did not happen over night, it took years to get this bad. If you are a loser and like to blame, the folks mentioned above should give you plenty to bitch about.
This will not be a fast process. The spoiled little fan that insists on having their winning way, NOW. Please get over yourself.
Anderson stopped recruiting and then left. Alden hired Haith out-of-left-field. Haith could not recruit with the Miami U mess used against him. Alden chose to stick with him. Haith "rewarded" Alden by leaving basically crap recruits and a team with no discipline. Alden then picked KA to coach.
KA just inherited this abortion from this band of bozos. KA loves Mizzou to his core. Give HCKA some time, some more time and then even more time. Lay-off of KA. Be silent and remember this history lesson. This did not happen over night, it took years to get this bad. If you are a loser and like to blame, the folks mentioned above should give you plenty to bitch about.
This will not be a fast process. The spoiled little fan that insists on having their winning way, NOW. Please get over yourself.
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:57 am to Mizzou Mule
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Give HCKA some time
Personally, I agree. Problem is, the "Immediate gratification crowd" has no patience. I think KA is a carpenter trying to rebuild a house that was in absolute shambles.
An earlier thread about our WBB Coach shows the double standard twixt the 2 sports. If she coached mens...Robin would have been gone a couple years back...but now she's queen of Mizzou.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:08 pm to Mizzou Mule
Fan Defense of KA:
Year One, beginning of the year:
This is Alden and Anderson and Haith's fault. We will see the team progress and grow throughout the year.
Year One, end of the year:
This is Alden and Anderson and Haith's fault. It is worse than we expected. We will see progress next year as the players improve.
Year One after transfers:
This is Alden and Anderson and Haith's fault. They made JW3 think he was going to be a swing guard. We will be better without our leading rebounder and scorer. MGC is weak and we should have never recruited him. I am looking forward to the freshmen coming in.
Year Two, beginning:
This is Alden and Haith's and Anderson's fault and also the bad fans who don't kiss our 9-23 coach's arse. We will see improvement as this amazing freshman class coalesces.
Year Two as non-con winds down:
This is Alden and Anderson and Haith's fault. Our freshmen are freshmen. Next year will be better as the players improve and coalesce. We totally should expect to lose by 35 to good teams. We are Mizzou. No one wants to coach here and it's a shitty job. If CKA would sign an extension, we would be pretty lucky.
Year One, beginning of the year:
This is Alden and Anderson and Haith's fault. We will see the team progress and grow throughout the year.
Year One, end of the year:
This is Alden and Anderson and Haith's fault. It is worse than we expected. We will see progress next year as the players improve.
Year One after transfers:
This is Alden and Anderson and Haith's fault. They made JW3 think he was going to be a swing guard. We will be better without our leading rebounder and scorer. MGC is weak and we should have never recruited him. I am looking forward to the freshmen coming in.
Year Two, beginning:
This is Alden and Haith's and Anderson's fault and also the bad fans who don't kiss our 9-23 coach's arse. We will see improvement as this amazing freshman class coalesces.
Year Two as non-con winds down:
This is Alden and Anderson and Haith's fault. Our freshmen are freshmen. Next year will be better as the players improve and coalesce. We totally should expect to lose by 35 to good teams. We are Mizzou. No one wants to coach here and it's a shitty job. If CKA would sign an extension, we would be pretty lucky.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:11 pm to Literalist
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Personally, I agree. Problem is, the "Immediate gratification crowd" has no patience. I think KA is a carpenter trying to rebuild a house that was in absolute shambles.
I'm sure I'm lumped in the immediate gratification crowd. But you all can't feed us shite and tell us it's filet mignon. There's no appreciable difference between the team that took the floor last night against Arizona than the team that took the floor against a P5 team last year.
We're not just losing. We're getting embarrassed. You can't show me a single facet of the game where they show consistent improvement. It's not there. So if you think we owe CKA 10 years out of penance for what we did to Norm, fine. But quit calling it immediate gratification when this team doesn't show anything and the coaching staff sucks donkey arse.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:29 pm to the808bass
quote:
I'm sure I'm lumped in the immediate gratification crowd.
True, but you have good intensions for whatever that is worth.
quote:
But you all can't feed us shite and tell us it's filet mignon
...feed us shite = just the truth. But you can think what you want. "Filet mignon", nope not even close. More like "shite on a shingle" currently. Good food and good cooks take time.
NOBODY is happy currently. Nobody.
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:32 pm to Mizzou Mule
The truth is Kim isn't rebuilding anything.
When CKA is asked to leave Mizzou, there will be a small fan base, three classes of bad recruiting in a row, and a less prestigious job than when he came.
That's the truth.
When CKA is asked to leave Mizzou, there will be a small fan base, three classes of bad recruiting in a row, and a less prestigious job than when he came.
That's the truth.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:37 pm to the808bass
808 - you might be right. You might be wrong. I'm glad your crystal ball works, mine doesn't.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:52 pm to Mizzou Mule
Anderson and Haith get their share of the blame. Doesn't change the fact that if the name was John Doe, no one would be defending the performance so far. And both Haith and Anderson both arguably recruited better btw.
And the program was down but nowhere near an abortion. Go look at the records prior to KA.
As to the rest, what I took out of it is we should be supporting 8 win seasons and be thankful for it. Meh, I'll spend my money elsewhere.
And the program was down but nowhere near an abortion. Go look at the records prior to KA.
As to the rest, what I took out of it is we should be supporting 8 win seasons and be thankful for it. Meh, I'll spend my money elsewhere.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:55 pm to Literalist
Might want to check the records of both in the years immediately prior to the current hires and the number of wins in their first season. One truly inherited an abortion the other a team that was in post season play. Oh and one is supposedly a revenue sport although they wouldn't be on tv at all if not for the sec network.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 1:02 pm to the808bass
808--*ouch* Harsh
In my thinking, "immediate gratification" folks are those who said (and expected) NIT by year 2, NCAA in year 3.
No way is that realistic, but "improvement" is. If this year ends like year #1, I'm all for coach-shopping. If there's tangible improvement, maybe year 3 for Kimbo.
The rest of the season will reveal what this team can do. But as I asked in another post, besides Savannah and Pine Bluff, can we win any other games? I seriously doubt double-digit wins at this point. Hell, I'm not sure we can win 8.
In my thinking, "immediate gratification" folks are those who said (and expected) NIT by year 2, NCAA in year 3.
No way is that realistic, but "improvement" is. If this year ends like year #1, I'm all for coach-shopping. If there's tangible improvement, maybe year 3 for Kimbo.
The rest of the season will reveal what this team can do. But as I asked in another post, besides Savannah and Pine Bluff, can we win any other games? I seriously doubt double-digit wins at this point. Hell, I'm not sure we can win 8.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 1:11 pm to Literalist
KA is a dead man walking. It is highly doubtful that this team wins enough games for him to keep his job after this season.
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