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Mack Rhoades Quote on Basketball
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:51 pm
“I think you can build a program. It can be a quick fix, but sometimes I think that’s fools’ gold. All of a sudden you can have one or two great teams, then all of a sudden, boom, it’s a roller coaster and you’re heading downhill 60 mph and everyone’s looking around, (saying), ‘What happened?’ We want to build a program where once it gets there it says there.”
Haith, and Anderson alike went for fools gold - trying to build a mansion without a foundation.
HCKA inherited a sure to collapse, half-built mansion overrun by rodents.
Not only did HCKA inherent this monstrosity, he's had to deal with cleaning up the collapse before he can get to building the foundation.
We (Mizzou fans) should at the very least recognize this task he's attempting to undertake.
I know losing to UMKC was ridiculous, but too many of you, too many sane-rational-well employed adults turned into crying children in the back seat of the car repetitively asking "are we there yet?"
I'm not sold on HCKA.
But I am sold on what he's trying to do - build a foundation so that a true and sustainable identity is created for this program.
If you too are sold on what he's trying to do, then you owe it to him, and the program you root for to support this noble task.
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There's only so many blue bloods, only so many 5 star hot-shots, only so many true elites.
We're not that. We're not going to be that.
Best option is to build it the right way, allow a respectable identity to develop so that we can have real gold, not fools.
It's exactly what Pinkel did with the football program. We as Mizzou fans have no excuse for not recognizing that.
Haith, and Anderson alike went for fools gold - trying to build a mansion without a foundation.
HCKA inherited a sure to collapse, half-built mansion overrun by rodents.
Not only did HCKA inherent this monstrosity, he's had to deal with cleaning up the collapse before he can get to building the foundation.
We (Mizzou fans) should at the very least recognize this task he's attempting to undertake.
I know losing to UMKC was ridiculous, but too many of you, too many sane-rational-well employed adults turned into crying children in the back seat of the car repetitively asking "are we there yet?"
I'm not sold on HCKA.
But I am sold on what he's trying to do - build a foundation so that a true and sustainable identity is created for this program.
If you too are sold on what he's trying to do, then you owe it to him, and the program you root for to support this noble task.
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There's only so many blue bloods, only so many 5 star hot-shots, only so many true elites.
We're not that. We're not going to be that.
Best option is to build it the right way, allow a respectable identity to develop so that we can have real gold, not fools.
It's exactly what Pinkel did with the football program. We as Mizzou fans have no excuse for not recognizing that.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 6:55 pm
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:59 pm to hipgnosis
Im not sure that the landscape of college basketball is such that it allows the building of sustained top 25ish programs through pragmatic means outside the obvious blue blood programs.
I think that is the fools gold. Times have changed in college basketball.
I think that is the fools gold. Times have changed in college basketball.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:07 pm to hipgnosis
HCKA will have my support as long as he is HCKA. I hear what you're saying, and it has merit. But I was not impressed this year, and next year has the potential if being even worse. Discipline problems, defections, lack of respect, and an embarrassing product on the court. This does not bode well for his program-building ability.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:12 pm to hipgnosis
You've nailed it with this OP. Every point you make is spot on.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:13 pm to semotruman
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Discipline problems, defections, lack of respect, and an embarrassing product on the court. This does not bode well for his program-building ability.
Well said.
Im not feeling optimistic.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:35 pm to kilo
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Im not sure that the landscape of college basketball is such that it allows the building of sustained top 25ish programs through pragmatic means outside the obvious blue blood programs.
I think that is the fools gold. Times have changed in college basketball.
I don't want to get into absolutism - if it's not this way, it's that way.
HCKA may in fact be too extreme in terms of discipline and what's he's trying to do.
But that doesn't mean we need to be on the other side of the extreme, which is all about winning with little to no regard for program identity and character building.
Pinkel did it with football, he built a brand on loyalty, family, and all the 'right' things.
I don't buy that it can't be done in basketball, which should be much easier, given that you're dealing with a core roster of 7-10 players instead of 50-60.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:37 pm to hipgnosis
If KA was young I would say we have time to wait, but by the time this program gets turned around he'll be stepping out of the door. After next year they need to find a young up and comer who wants a shot at building a successful program long term.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:42 pm to TigerCruise
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If KA was young I would say we have time to wait, but by the time this program gets turned around he'll be stepping out of the door.
That's just the thing.
HCKA isn't here to build himself a coaching career.
He's not here for personal accolades.
He's here to do two things -- clean up the mess and leave us with a structurally sound foundation.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:43 pm to JesusQuintana
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You've nailed it with this OP. Every point you make is spot on.
Thank you, Jesus.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:58 pm to hipgnosis
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I don't want to get into absolutism - if it's not this way, it's that way.
Me either, I should have qualified.
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But that doesn't mean we need to be on the other side of the extreme, which is all about winning with little to no regard for program identity and character building.
Im not advocating that at all at this point.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:25 pm to kilo
I really don't care how he does it or with what philosophy he does it with...I just want winning basketball back at Mizzou.
He did he blowing up the program so he can rebuild it. Now I just hope he can do the latter part and rebuild it. Do I have concerns about that? Absolutely. But it goes a lot deeper than losing to UMKC. I could live with a bad loss. Hell, football lost to Indiana.
My concern is whether he can rebuild that foundation so that we have real gold instead of fool's gold. Your best player leaving does not give me hope. Not just your best player, but 1 of just 3 players that didn't have a bad attitude or discipline issue. There is rumors of more leaving. The recruiting class coming in I am sure is full of good kids but hardly kids that are going to be a cure.
So as has been said all along, KA will be given his time and while he's here, I will hope he wins. No one wants to suffer through what we went through last year again. I just have my doubts.
He did he blowing up the program so he can rebuild it. Now I just hope he can do the latter part and rebuild it. Do I have concerns about that? Absolutely. But it goes a lot deeper than losing to UMKC. I could live with a bad loss. Hell, football lost to Indiana.
My concern is whether he can rebuild that foundation so that we have real gold instead of fool's gold. Your best player leaving does not give me hope. Not just your best player, but 1 of just 3 players that didn't have a bad attitude or discipline issue. There is rumors of more leaving. The recruiting class coming in I am sure is full of good kids but hardly kids that are going to be a cure.
So as has been said all along, KA will be given his time and while he's here, I will hope he wins. No one wants to suffer through what we went through last year again. I just have my doubts.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:31 pm to reedus23
I disagree about the incoming class. Phillips & VanLeer both provide missing skills on the team.
Phillips is a dynamic guard that can break a defense down and get open shots for his teammates.
A pick'n'roll with him and Gant could be super effective.
VanLeer from day 1 will be the best shooter on the team.
Also Gant and J3's game are pretty similar so that will lessen the blow of J3 leaving.
After watching Phillips in Springfield I saw that even off the court guys were drawn to him.
Phillips is a dynamic guard that can break a defense down and get open shots for his teammates.
A pick'n'roll with him and Gant could be super effective.
VanLeer from day 1 will be the best shooter on the team.
Also Gant and J3's game are pretty similar so that will lessen the blow of J3 leaving.
After watching Phillips in Springfield I saw that even off the court guys were drawn to him.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:32 pm to reedus23
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I really don't care how he does it or with what philosophy he does it with...I just want winning basketball back at Mizzou.
Winning with no regard for how you win is highly susceptible to collapse at any moment. It's the 'fools gold' Mack referred to.
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He did he blowing up the program so he can rebuild it. Now I just hope he can do the latter part and rebuild it. Do I have concerns about that? Absolutely. But it goes a lot deeper than losing to UMKC.
I get it, man.
I'm not sold on KA. I'm really not. And I have real fears for the depth of this decline.
I think the underlying point is that we should (must) see that Pinkel built a brand that identifies with keywords such as family, loyalty ect.
Stoops at Kentucky is trying for fools gold, he's promising things left and right. It got him a couple good recruiting classes, but it likely won't last. He can't promise immediate playing time year after year to high end recruits.
That's a slightly different comparison. It's not exactly relevant to this case. Pinkel built his football program on solid ground. Stoops is building it on sand.
You say you don't care how we win, but you should, winning has to be built on solid ground or it doesn't have much hope for lasting.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:33 pm to TigerCruise
If they get a young up and comer I hope he is a little more mature than Quin Snyder. The old fart KA may embarrass some but that young hot shot was a little bit off the mark. That said, I would rather party with Snyder than KA. I may be old but I respect a good party guy. 
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:23 pm to wubilli
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I disagree about the incoming class. Phillips & VanLeer both provide missing skills on the team.
Their strengths are areas of need for Mizzou. I agree with that. Whether or not their skill levels are up to par with a high major team that is looking to make the tourney and not just win 9 games, time will tell.
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Also Gant and J3's game are pretty similar so that will lessen the blow of J3 leaving.
I actually think Gant, at the end of the day, could be the more well rounded player. But there is still no avoiding the blow of losing your leading scorer and leading rebounder.
Of the commits so far, I'm probably most intrigued by Phillips.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:33 pm to hipgnosis
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Winning with no regard for how you win is highly susceptible to collapse at any moment. It's the 'fools gold' Mack referred to.
I'm not saying there should be no regard. I'm just saying that regard is someone else's problem, not mine as a paying fan. They get paid seven figures to get it done and get it done right. That should be a given everywhere, though I understand it's not always.
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You say you don't care how we win, but you should, winning has to be built on solid ground or it doesn't have much hope for lasting.
I don't think we disagree. If it isn't lasting, then they're not winning so they failed in my book as well. But they get paid the big bucks to get it right and win, so it's not like anything special is being asked of him. Just do it and win and I'll spend my money on ya. Don't do it and I'll spend my money on softball, wrestling and baseball.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 6:26 am to kilo
But I read it on here that KA is a bum overrated HS coach and our players are shite.......SOOOOOOOO how can you build a foundation with that?
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:30 am to Wtodd
You build a foundation by winning. Players want to be winners. They see a winning program, thats where they want to go. Taking transfers all the time instead of growing and developing players makes it harder to win due to chemistry and such.
KA put the worst season of Mizzou basketball at our feet this season. That is not building a foundation.
At the end of the day, it is about wins and losses. Sorry for judging it that way.
KA put the worst season of Mizzou basketball at our feet this season. That is not building a foundation.
At the end of the day, it is about wins and losses. Sorry for judging it that way.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:45 am to 5thTiger
9 wins are not enough.
I am not sold on KA at all whatsoever. I never have been. I hope he proves me to be a giant idiot (more than normal). But I doubt it. I believe this will be KA's last year.
I am not sold on KA at all whatsoever. I never have been. I hope he proves me to be a giant idiot (more than normal). But I doubt it. I believe this will be KA's last year.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 9:08 am to hipgnosis
Very well said Mr. Rhoades and Mr. Mogray
ETA: I just reposted this on TigerBoard. LOL.
ETA: I just reposted this on TigerBoard. LOL.
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 9:09 am
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