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re: I officially lost faith in Pinkel last night.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 2:19 pm to BreakawayZou83
Posted on 10/7/12 at 2:19 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Bingo. Mizzou fans are too quick to turn on Pinkel.
Again, I understand the injuries. But that does not allow for a free pass for not being prepared to still win. We cant just hinge on one player. This is Football, injuries happen. If you dont have a back up plan, then its on the coach. This is not just about Vanderbilt or last night. More so the straw the finally broke the camel's back. Excuses are bullshite. Unless there is some great team that never gets injuries, that should NEVER be an excuse to not be prepared. As I said before,
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Its not like once a couple key people get hurt "Well the season is lost, lets pack it in." The good teams adapt and overcome. And if you dont, well then thats on coach.
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:27 pm to Stripes314
I don't think it's too quick to turn on Pinkel. I'm not advocating that he lose his job. But his "loyalty" has been called into question for years. He's done great things for Mizzou. No doubt. But he better be able to show change. Not necessarily this year but by next year.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 7:31 pm to reedus23
Pinkel's loyalty is one of his best qualities - and one of his worst. His staff and players know he has confidence in them and is't going to hang them out to dry for one mistake. But, his loyalty can also seemingly blind him to the facts, and turn into stubbornness. I think that's where people lose faith in him - when he won't accept that perhaps a mistake has been made and needs to be corrected.
I officially joined the "Yost must go" bandwagon last night. He's not ready to be an SEC OC, and I don't think he ever will. I know he's a great recruiter, and apparently a nice guy, but that doesn't translate into a great OC. They need to bring in an OC with proven success at that level. That might not solve all the problems, but it's a good start.
I read on Tigerboard, when I could stand to wade through it, that several people have talked with current and recently-graduated former players, none of whom have any respect for Yost's coaching. If that's the case, and he's the team no longer believes in him, he has to go.
I officially joined the "Yost must go" bandwagon last night. He's not ready to be an SEC OC, and I don't think he ever will. I know he's a great recruiter, and apparently a nice guy, but that doesn't translate into a great OC. They need to bring in an OC with proven success at that level. That might not solve all the problems, but it's a good start.
I read on Tigerboard, when I could stand to wade through it, that several people have talked with current and recently-graduated former players, none of whom have any respect for Yost's coaching. If that's the case, and he's the team no longer believes in him, he has to go.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:16 pm to Stripes314
Our Season officially=
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:21 pm to FightTigers
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Our Season officially=
Yes and that's why I say start working on the future.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:40 pm to reedus23
I really don't want to tell TJ Moe, Elvis Fisher, Sheldon Richardson, Zavier Gooden and others that we're giving up on their senior and we're preparing for the future now.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:42 pm to reedus23
Now I said I had lost faith in Pinkel, but I did not say he needs to be fired after this year. No coach is going to believe that they will get the security needed. I personally think Pinkel will retire and not be fired whenever he is done. With that being said, people on PM are debating whether a top candidate like Charlie Strong would come or would we have to take a chance on a lower-level coach? Again I am not saying we have to find who is the next up after Pinkel right now, rather I am curious where yall think the program is as far as attractive jobs.
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:44 pm to semotruman
Sheldon isnt a SR. But I guess he prob isnt coming back either.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:55 pm to Stripes314
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I am curious where yall think the program is as far as attractive jobs.
Right now we're reasonably attractive, IMO. We're not going to get a Saban or an Urban Meyer, we're not a blue-blood program. But, our money is just as green as anyone else's, and we're in the best conference. We're committed to competing, improving facilities and stepping up our game. That should make us an attractive job. If PInkel were to retire now, I'd go after a Charlie Strong or a Kirby Smart. I'd LOVE to get Kirby Smart. But Pinkel isn't going anywhere yet.
And no, I don't see Sheldon coming back. Not after this season.
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 10:10 pm to semotruman
Right. We have shown that we will pay and we are in the SEC. I would prefer to have somebody that is a proven head coach, especially defensive, but I would take a top assistant like Kirby Smart too.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:52 am to Stripes314
I'm also waivering on my Pinkel support. The resistance to accept deficiencies are killing this team. What does it take to force Pinkel to adapt to the strengths of this team?
The offset-I-pistol formation was the first solid adjustment this season and it took until game 6 to get there. Even with this formation, there was a lack of creativity in the play calling.
The OL injuries are not an excuse. I would love to use it, but it just isnt. There are a ton of guys on the OL depth chart that were either bigtime national recruits or very solid, high level D1 type recruits. This staff (at all positions) has no ability to accept failure at picking the starters. They refuse to bench a guy not getting the job done and try the next guy.
Henry Josey is exhibit A. He was how far down the depth chart heading into 2011 because the coaches "knew" from practice he was the #3. It took two injuries for Josey to see the field regularly. Lo and behold, the kid turns out to be a gamer.
The offset-I-pistol formation was the first solid adjustment this season and it took until game 6 to get there. Even with this formation, there was a lack of creativity in the play calling.
The OL injuries are not an excuse. I would love to use it, but it just isnt. There are a ton of guys on the OL depth chart that were either bigtime national recruits or very solid, high level D1 type recruits. This staff (at all positions) has no ability to accept failure at picking the starters. They refuse to bench a guy not getting the job done and try the next guy.
Henry Josey is exhibit A. He was how far down the depth chart heading into 2011 because the coaches "knew" from practice he was the #3. It took two injuries for Josey to see the field regularly. Lo and behold, the kid turns out to be a gamer.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:22 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Bingo. Mizzou fans are too quick to turn on Pinkel.
you guys saying pinkel has to go honestly look like complete clowns. Please name 3 realistic candidates who you think would be doing a better job than Pinkel right now.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:40 pm to NaturalLight00
I didn't feel like reading all the posts again, but I don't know if most people have said Pinkel has to go NOW. There's a difference between saying lost faith and saying he should be fired. Seems most say he needs to make changes and if he doesn't then it would be time to consider a coaching change. It also seems most think that one of those changes has to be Yost. Ok, I think all of that. I shouldn't speak for others.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:50 pm to reedus23
Well I see Pinkel is willing to make the necessary changes. He's dropped our most reliable and best threat at WR (Lucas) to #2 on the depth chart. Granted, he didn't have a great game against Vandy, but over the course of the season, I thought he'd been doing as good or better than anyone at getting open and catching the ball. I know he'll still get his time on the field but suffice it to say I don't get it.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 3:38 pm to reedus23
Well, Lucas has had hands of stone all season. Maybe this is his way of letting him know he needs better focus. I guess it beats telling him to "try harder". Lol.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 3:54 pm to SoCalMIZ
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Well, Lucas has had hands of stone all season. Maybe this is his way of letting him know he needs better focus. I guess it beats telling him to "try harder". Lol.
True. It seems Lucas has had at least one terrible drop every game. They seem to come at terrible times, too.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 4:00 pm to SoCalMIZ
Nice to see Pinkel making the players responsible for their play how about making your OC responsible for the shite he has rolled out the last 4 years.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 4:02 pm to notsince98
As for the earlier question on where the program currently sits for potential hires, I think that is a good topic.
The hard part about that topic is does it matter? I look at Alden's track record. I don't think he likes the idea of paying top $$ for anyone until they have been at MU and won. I don't think he is willing to outbid the less thrifty schools during a coaching search.
I think Pinkel makes around $2.5mil/year right now. I would guess Alden would want to sign a new coach for around $1.75 to $2mil/year. I think he wants to find guys that look at Mizzou as a destination job. That is a good thing but it also means you might miss out on a great coach just because you "think" he might be a flight risk after having some success.
The hard part about that topic is does it matter? I look at Alden's track record. I don't think he likes the idea of paying top $$ for anyone until they have been at MU and won. I don't think he is willing to outbid the less thrifty schools during a coaching search.
I think Pinkel makes around $2.5mil/year right now. I would guess Alden would want to sign a new coach for around $1.75 to $2mil/year. I think he wants to find guys that look at Mizzou as a destination job. That is a good thing but it also means you might miss out on a great coach just because you "think" he might be a flight risk after having some success.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 6:45 pm to Tackle74
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Nice to see Pinkel making the players responsible for their play how about making your OC responsible for the shite he has rolled out the last 4 years.
I'd love to see it, but not holding my breath.
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I would guess Alden would want to sign a new coach for around $1.75 to $2mil/year. I think he wants to find guys that look at Mizzou as a destination job. That is a good thing but it also means you might miss out on a great coach just because you "think" he might be a flight risk after having some success.
I get Alden's philosophy, and would normally agree. However, there's too much at stake right now. If we were to get the opportunity to make coaching changes, we should get the best talent we can. There's too much money at stake, and we have a window to establish ourselves in this league before we become a job the best coaches won't consider.
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