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Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:51 am to
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:51 am to
So you are saying the secondary has always been bad, but it was hidden by a good pass rush.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:54 am to
you wouldn"t understand what he's sayin. Not thay it's that difficult, butyouwouldn't
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6500 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:00 am to
I'm saying that Odom and Grinch knew how to prep their room and that Walters isn't good enough.

Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:08 am to
I have been happy with the improvements I have seen from Walters and his group. I think they will take another step towards being a good secondary next season.

We do need a consistent pass rush in order for the pass defense to really improve though.
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6500 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

I have been happy with the improvements I have seen from Walters and his group.


50% of the passes completed have went for 10 yds or more. 20% have went for 20 or more. 20 TDs and 5 INTs with 2 to play.

They were at 44% and 16%, allowing 20 TDs and had 12 INTs last year.

You aren't seeing improvements.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 1:23 pm to
There’s no pass rush this season. Coverage is better by the secondary. The linebackers are still bad in coverage. 2 of the 3 TD passes by Shurmur were because of Garrett. The third was just a great throw and catch as Acy had good coverage.

Scoring against Mizzou is down 4 ppg this season. That’s improving.
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6500 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 1:32 pm to
Scoring is down because they have allowed 8 Rushing TDs instead of 27.

The secondary is bad because they are poorly coached.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 1:36 pm
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 1:43 pm to
Guess we can disagree. My opinion on pass defense is that it takes all 3 levels together to be good. The LBs are about the same as last year in coverage, which was poor. The DL doesn’t come close to getting as much pressure as last season. The CBs are much better in coverage compared to a year ago. Safety play isn’t as good, but I think that’s more a talent/experience issue from losing both starting safetys.

Find a pass rush next season and the pass defense will improve a lot. Without a pass rush it will stay about the same.
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 2:06 pm to
The LBs are dealing with about 5 targets on their coverage responsibilities per week, which isn't making or breaking anything. The guys they are covering aren't the ones chewing up the secondary week after week. Knox, Ridley, Samuel, Jeudy, Bowden, and Lipscomb never had a LB line up on them.
Posted by Zou brownmajic
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:27 pm to
Acy was pushed off by the receiver on that td.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:59 pm to
You're high. I don't care if there is improvement from dogshit to slightly less dogshit. Our DB's are horrible. They can't cover. They literally trip over their own feet. They can't tackle and when they do it is usually up around the shoulders, allowing the WR to break free.

Maybe it's because they're young. Maybe it's not. But they are not good.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:01 pm to
My son talked me out of the poetry reading and got me to take him and daughter to the game. What is not accounted for is how many blown coverages there were that the Vandy QB never picked up on. I can't tell you how many times I said "Oh shite!!!!" just to be followed by "Thank God he didn't see him!!!!".
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:06 pm to
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Ryan Walters is garbage.
Derek Dooley is garbage.


The night before the game, one of the players said he was expecting Saturday to be a shite show. His words. Not mine. When I learned of this, the only thing I could think of is why would a player think this. Before a game. Against Vandy. At home.

The only thing I could think of was that it must have been a shitty week of practice, which is on Walters. On Dooley. Ultimately on Odom.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:19 pm to
quote:

Every win is something to build on. Mizzou didn’t play great, came out pretty flat. Had a bad snap that cost Mizzou a chance at taking an 8 point lead with 1:30 to go. Against Kentucky and SC the defense didn’t make the plays to get the win.


Theoretically, I guess even every loss is something to build on. They did come out flat. I put that on Odom and company not being able to refocus the team curing the week after UF.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33369 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:19 pm to
Whew! Good thing unnamed source player on the team was wrong!!!

Dodged a bullet there
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:21 pm to
I don't know. He seemed to be right on to me. The good news is we still got the win.

And he has a name.
Posted by truman_in_nc
Member since Oct 2017
44 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:22 pm to
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The night before the game, one of the players said he was expecting Saturday to be a shite show. His words. Not mine. When I learned of this, the only thing I could think of is why would a player think this. Before a game. Against Vandy. At home.



If that is accurate, that is pretty scary.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:23 pm to
It is. I saw it.
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6500 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

The night before the game, one of the players said he was expecting Saturday to be a shite show. His words. Not mine


Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:28 pm to
quote:

Whew! Good thing unnamed source player on the team was wrong!!!

Dodged a bullet there


Not surprised you don't find it concerning.
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