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Posted on 5/1/17 at 5:36 pm to muinsandiegp
Posted on 5/1/17 at 5:36 pm to muinsandiegp
SEC coaches that were fist time HCs in the SEC.
Orgeron at Mississippi
Muschamp at Florida
Mason
Mullen
Smart
Odom
Freeze and Malzhan both had only 1 year as a HC at Arkansas State before getting SEC HC jobs.
Orgeron at Mississippi
Muschamp at Florida
Mason
Mullen
Smart
Odom
Freeze and Malzhan both had only 1 year as a HC at Arkansas State before getting SEC HC jobs.
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 5:59 pm to wubilli
Uh, that does not answer my question. Your list is repleat with those who met minimum standard of being a Coordinator with longstanding successful track record leading a group of young men with a successful P5 program.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:02 pm to muinsandiegp
Spin
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:05 pm to muinsandiegp
6 had never been head coaches, 2 had only 1 year as a head coach. That's the same experience level that Odom had.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:05 pm to JesusQuintana
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were just as inexperienced when they got their first HC job
You are so anxius to disagree with me you failed to read the impetus quote correcly. In fact your response and Wu's subsequent list validates my point.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:19 pm to muinsandiegp
Other than the fact that you threw that qualifier in there just to be difficult....
The point is, and you know this, hiring HC with very little experience is fairly common in the SEC.
Hiring a successful P5 coach is virtually unheard of, even at schools with a much better football situation than Mizzou.
I mean, who did you want? We probably could have gotten a bum like Sonny Dykes. That sound good to you? How do you think Rhoades search went coming off a 5 win season and a protest that alienated a huge portion of the fanbase.
BO was very likely our best option. He had some 1st year growing pains (again VERY common). We all know that you have convinced yourself that he is a failure, but what he will do moving forward remains to be seen.
What first year coach set the world on fire? Malzahn did, but he had Cam Newton. Sumlin had Manziel. McElwain had a nice first year in a very down East. Basically, if you don't have a Heisman winning QB then you really don't succeed in yr 1. Saban didn't, Mullen didn't, Freeze didn't, Jones didn't, Mason didn't, Stoops didn't, Smart didn't, Muschamp didn't, Bielema didn't.
Who should we have hired, and what would he have done better than BO so far? Lets get some specifics here if you are just going to constantly bash everything and everyone in every single post.
The point is, and you know this, hiring HC with very little experience is fairly common in the SEC.
Hiring a successful P5 coach is virtually unheard of, even at schools with a much better football situation than Mizzou.
I mean, who did you want? We probably could have gotten a bum like Sonny Dykes. That sound good to you? How do you think Rhoades search went coming off a 5 win season and a protest that alienated a huge portion of the fanbase.
BO was very likely our best option. He had some 1st year growing pains (again VERY common). We all know that you have convinced yourself that he is a failure, but what he will do moving forward remains to be seen.
What first year coach set the world on fire? Malzahn did, but he had Cam Newton. Sumlin had Manziel. McElwain had a nice first year in a very down East. Basically, if you don't have a Heisman winning QB then you really don't succeed in yr 1. Saban didn't, Mullen didn't, Freeze didn't, Jones didn't, Mason didn't, Stoops didn't, Smart didn't, Muschamp didn't, Bielema didn't.
Who should we have hired, and what would he have done better than BO so far? Lets get some specifics here if you are just going to constantly bash everything and everyone in every single post.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:37 pm to muinsandiegp
quote:Memphis offered him the job, with a good salary for them, then held it open while he waited on Miz, then got pissed and gave up. This was reported in multiple sources. Not sure how that translates to "may" (Memphis?).
You may be right that he "may" have had another D1 opportunity (Memphis?)
quote:No question Memphis considered him a rising star. He was their hot DC under their hot HC(Fuentes). Memphis wanted him badly. The program was tearing it up, and both Odom and fuentes went to P5 HC. I don't know what your argument is here. That he should have been the HC at Memphis first? He was DC at a P5 first. And who would you argue should have been hired instead? It has to be someone who wanted to come and build so that knocks out the first five names you think of. The reality is we needed a HC right then, and if it wasn't Odom he was going down a different path that likely never led back to here while we took a chance on a mid major(like we did with Pinkle).
I am unaware of his rising star status, please let me know what this was based on.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:46 pm to JesusQuintana
I am not going to go into speculation of who and would they have been better. I am not the athletic director so my opinion is only that, my reasoned opinion. I don't have the evidence that BO the best option available given the amount we were willing to spend and our infatuation with "true sons"
What I am saying is I personally have seen enough to decide that the BO hire was/is/will be a failed experiment and the sooner we come to grips with what we see and take the Bunson burner off the table the better the chances are the whole lab will not burn down.
Some like youself will say one year is not enough to reach such an opinion, but I have seen enough as I did KA to recognize a disturbing downtrend when the BO equity perch was not that high to begin with.
Do I have faith he will turn it around? Well honestly no. If you read my earlier post my argument was to have serious considerations after this years season and subsequent recruiting class to cut bait if he once again demonstrates an inability to turn it around on the field Or recruiting arena. If by then he cannot show he can be competitive in at least one of those areas allowing a wasted 3rd year anticipating something different will only put us deeper in the hole.
What I am saying is I personally have seen enough to decide that the BO hire was/is/will be a failed experiment and the sooner we come to grips with what we see and take the Bunson burner off the table the better the chances are the whole lab will not burn down.
Some like youself will say one year is not enough to reach such an opinion, but I have seen enough as I did KA to recognize a disturbing downtrend when the BO equity perch was not that high to begin with.
Do I have faith he will turn it around? Well honestly no. If you read my earlier post my argument was to have serious considerations after this years season and subsequent recruiting class to cut bait if he once again demonstrates an inability to turn it around on the field Or recruiting arena. If by then he cannot show he can be competitive in at least one of those areas allowing a wasted 3rd year anticipating something different will only put us deeper in the hole.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:54 pm to muinsandiegp
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I am not going to go into speculation of who and would they have been better. I am not the athletic director so my opinion is only that, my reasoned opinion. I don't have the evidence that BO the best option available given the amount we were willing to spend and our infatuation with "true sons"
Total cop out
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What I am saying is I personally have seen enough to decide that the BO hire was/is/will be a failed experiment and the sooner we come to grips with what we see and take the Bunson burner off the table the better the chances are the whole lab will not burn down.
Thats just not possible. You may THINK you have seen enough, but considering the evidence I posted in my prior posts its obvioulsy quite common for coaches to struggle in their first year.
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Do I have faith he will turn it around? Well honestly no. If you read my earlier post my argument was to have serious considerations after this years season and subsequent recruiting class to cut bait if he once again demonstrates an inability to turn it around on the field Or recruiting arena. If by then he cannot show he can be competitive in at least one of those areas allowing a wasted 3rd year anticipating something different will only put us deeper in the hole.
He will get, at the very minimum, 3 years. More likely 4. Buckle in
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:59 pm to JesusQuintana
I couldn't care less where he goes in the draft. At issue, to me anyway, is his performance at the University of Missouri.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:37 am to sofa
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At issue, to me anyway, is his performance at the University of Missouri.
This
But to answer the question, DL has everything physically be the overall #1; the between the ears part will dictate where's he's taken.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:53 am to Wtodd
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the between the ears part will dictate where's he's taken.
Is there anyone here that thinks a Heisman candidate that coached a Heisman winner can't get Lock's best game on the field?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:12 am to navynuke
With the number of suiciders on this board sure there is 
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:56 am to navynuke
Hasn't happened yet. Could/should this season. We are going to find out an awful lot about what this staff's ceiling is this year.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 2:55 pm to MIZ_COU
You don't think Lock improved from his FR to SO years?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:07 pm to Mizzou23
Brad Kaaya, all 6'4, 230 of him, was Miami's altime leading passer (Miami, Fl). Had a winning record
Dude went in the 6th round of a supposedly "weak" QB class in 2017
Yeah, something tells me Lock ain't a surefire pick in the NFL draft.
He needs to be better vs good competition.
Mahomes was picked 10th overall in part because he always gave his undermanned Red Raiders a fighting chance vs all opponents.
Dude went in the 6th round of a supposedly "weak" QB class in 2017
Yeah, something tells me Lock ain't a surefire pick in the NFL draft.
He needs to be better vs good competition.
Mahomes was picked 10th overall in part because he always gave his undermanned Red Raiders a fighting chance vs all opponents.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 4:08 pm to MizzouTrue
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Brad Kaaya, all 6'4, 230 of him
Kaaya's very mediocre arm caused him to be a 6th round pick.
Lock doesn't have that limitation.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 4:58 pm to navynuke
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Is there anyone here that thinks a Heisman candidate that coached a Heisman winner can't get Lock's best game on the field?
I am sure that they will get the most out of Lock. But saying they'll get the most out of Lock and that he'll improve is a far cry from saying he'll be the #1 pick in the fist round which some have said.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 5:24 pm to navynuke
The only thing Lock has on Kaaya is arm strength. Maybe better under pressure
Either way, Lock needs ALOT of improvement if he wants to leave early.
Either way, Lock needs ALOT of improvement if he wants to leave early.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:38 pm to MizzouTrue
LINK
BTW, I don't include or exclude Lock's chances to be the 1st overall, but to categorically dismiss his chance of being a 1sr round pick with some modest improvement is silly with his arm talent.
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When Drew Lock committed to Missouri, there was immediately talk about his potential to play as a freshman and in the NFL. Trent Dilfer told Dave Matter, “Drew Lock is an NFL prospect the day he steps on campus.”
That pro potential helped to push Lock into the backup QB position behind Maty Mauk as a true freshman. Since then, three quarterbacks — Mauk, Eddie Printz and Marvin Zanders — have transferred as Lock’s ascendency was made clear.
Drew Lock will be the starter for as long as he’s at Missouri. Of that, there can be no doubt. But a disappointing freshman campaign was followed by a sophomore year that hardly quieted doubters. Despite throwing for 3,399 yards and 23 touchdowns against 10 interceptions — and despite massive overall improvement from the Missouri offense — Lock completed only 54% of his passes.
According to the statistical projection analysis David Morrison did last year, Lock’s stats put him most in line with former Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford, who added nearly 1,000 yards and a 5% improvement in a junior campaign that resulted in him being a first overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft.
BTW, I don't include or exclude Lock's chances to be the 1st overall, but to categorically dismiss his chance of being a 1sr round pick with some modest improvement is silly with his arm talent.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 7:42 pm
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