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re: Conference Realignment Talk.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:42 am to navynuke
Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:42 am to navynuke
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Does anyone honestly believe that being in a different athletic conference would add value to their degree?
Yes. It is pretty much proven. Every University added to the B1G has received a subsequent bump in ranking systems, and increase in federal research money.
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:47 am to reedus23
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All disagree with you.
Take away the arkansas and tennessee kids we were getting prior to the move anyways.
I guess you all miss my point. We will almost always get MO, KS, IL, AR, OK, TN, and TX kids, no matter where we are conference-wise.
The OP asked if we would see a positive or negative effect if we moved with ks, OK, and TX to the B1G.
Positives:
Academics: BIG step up
Basketball: Huge leap
Culture Fit
Olympic Sports/Learfield/Capitol Cup
Home for Wrestling
Travel Distances: Could have been avoided by being in the West, but we are in the East.
Money: B1G's new deal surpasses the SEC by about 5M/yr.
Negatives:
Football (slightly). B1G has rebounded well in past few years
Baseball/Softball- Be Honest, Mizzou Baseball is way down the list of sports mizzou fans care about. Softball would be fine. Michigan were national runnerup last year(2015).
Potential Jr Membership: Would no doubt be a negative for a short period of time.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 8:58 am
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:39 am to 5thTiger
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We will almost always get MO, KS, IL, AR, OK, TN, and TX kids, no matter where we are conference-wise.
Ask the Nubs how this has worked out for them. If you cannot get excited by playing football in the SEC then you are just blind. ONLY sport that I would like to see us in the Big 10 for is wrestling.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 11:29 am to Tackle74
Moot point.
We're not leaving.
We don't even have the leadership in place to discuss it, they are all "interim".
Move on, it's almost time for SEC football. You can watch the B1G too if you want.
ETA: Sorry Tackle, I replied to the wrong post.
We're not leaving.
We don't even have the leadership in place to discuss it, they are all "interim".
Move on, it's almost time for SEC football. You can watch the B1G too if you want.
ETA: Sorry Tackle, I replied to the wrong post.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 11:54 am to 5thTiger
We are just recovering from being Sexist and Racist. We do not need to be seen as little Bitches who fled the mighty SEC. It's just not done, and no way you convince top recruits that leaving the SEC was beneficial. Image is everything, and because we don't have a rich, deep tradition, our image will continue to suffer if we bolt from the SEC.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 3:53 pm to 5thTiger
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Potential Jr Membership: Would no doubt be a negative for a short period of time.
If Texas and Oklahoma refuse to extend their GOR they are effectively declaring free agency and will not accept any junior partnerships. They'd be the belles of the ball between the SEC, B1G and Pac-12. The last time the B1G had the leverage. This time they wouldn't. So if the B1G were to offer a package deal to TX, OK, Kansas + one more, I can't imagine how they wouldn't find some kind of work around on Jr. Membership thing.
I actually agree with most of what has been written. Mizzou is making inroads in SEC country, yet the fact that Odom is clearly doubling back to Texas means he knows where their bread has been buttered and I don't think a package move to the B1G would change that. It would be like a reconstituted Big 8, minus the chaff, but with Texas.
The other question that hasn't really been commented on is if any fricks are given if the B1G adds Texas, OU, Kansas + one without Mizzou. Does the B1G suddenly rule CFB and Men's BB by adding three clear nameplate schools to their current headliners? It strikes me as a Delaney type of move.
I guess we'll all know soon enough, but if the XII for whatever reason doesn't extend their GOR all hell will break loose for the few remaining plums and I hope Mizzou and the SEC are considering all the possibilities.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 5:32 pm to Mizz-SEC
Odom isn't doubling back and the thought that the staff as whole gave up on Texas is erroneous. Bruce Walker was a wet fart his last two years on the recruiting trail. He was the primary recruiter in Texas and had 3 long time commits go elsewhere in 2013 and he did nothing to help land a couple of really good instate olinemen in the 2014 cycle. His "retirement" three weeks before the season and the hiring of a native Texan to replace him was no accident. Ricker was doing solid work in the living room and the guys that decommitted when he wasn't retained would have been contributors. His coaching job last year wasn't great but he was a good recruiter.
As was stated it's all moot. MU isn't going anywhere.
As was stated it's all moot. MU isn't going anywhere.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 7:36 pm to Mizz-SEC
If your talking about the possibilities of who joins the SEC. If you're talking about the possibility of leaving that would a 100 year mistake, not a 100 year decision.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 9:30 am to navynuke
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Odom isn't doubling back and the thought that the staff as whole gave up on Texas is erroneous. Bruce Walker was a wet fart his last two years on the recruiting trail.
So Odom isn't recommitting personnel and resources to recruiting Texas after a multi-year point of emphasis in the southeast? Interesting.
I agree the chances of Missouri leaving are slim and none.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 9:30 am to navynuke
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If your talking about the possibilities of who joins the SEC. If you're talking about the possibility of leaving that would a 100 year mistake, not a 100 year decision.
Yes. I was asking two questions in the same thread.
1) Would or should Missouri have any interest in joining the B1G if Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas were added if the XII imploded. And,
2) If the XII implodes should the SEC actively pursue any schools and/or be concerned if the B1G were to add those three + a fourth.
With cord cutting and new delivery systems likely to change the way people watch television, the current cable footprint way of collecting money for conference networks could (and likely will) change.
If it becomes more of a PPV style where you subscribe to a network ala carte, nameplate programs are going to rule the day. And frankly speaking, if the B1G were to add those three schools they would have considerably more than the SEC or any other conference.
Personally I enjoy the SEC but think Mizzou would be a better fit in the B1G, particularly if it meant reuniting with Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. I know it's incredibly unlikely, but think it would be a good move under the scenario I outlined above.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/23/16 at 10:49 am to Mizz-SEC
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With cord cutting and new delivery systems likely to change the way people watch television, the current cable footprint way of collecting money for conference networks could (and likely will) change.
If it becomes more of a PPV style where you subscribe to a network ala carte, nameplate programs are going to rule the day. And frankly speaking, if the B1G were to add those three schools they would have considerably more than the SEC or any other conference.
Meh, Im in wait and see mode now. People have been saying this for 10 years. I have no doubt that delivery will change but the revenue will always be there for these providers. They have already transitioned into generating said revenue through their ISP portions of their corps. I dont see true ala carte being the future where you pick individual channels but I do see smaller packages that will be in play.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:00 am to Mizz-SEC
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1) Would or should Missouri have any interest in joining the B1G if Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas were added if the XII imploded. And,
Absolutely not. As far as athletics go, that's like saying would you rather be in Triple A or Double A. Gotta be really good and only an extremely small fraction can make it that far, but one is clearly stronger than the other.
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2) If the XII implodes should the SEC actively pursue any schools and/or be concerned if the B1G were to add those three + a fourth.
Obviously. They should always be looking to position the SEC as best they can, and that includes poaching the Big 12 if they implode.
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If it becomes more of a PPV style where you subscribe to a network ala carte, nameplate programs are going to rule the day. And frankly speaking, if the B1G were to add those three schools they would have considerably more than the SEC or any other conference.
Even if that were to happen, you have what? OU, Texas, Michigan, Michigan St and Ohio State? As opposed to Alabama, Auburn, LSU, A&M, UF, UGA, UT. The tilt to the SEC is only bigger at the bottom when you look at Vandy/UK/MU/Arky/OM/SC versus a Rutgers/Minn/NW/Mary/Purdue/Indiana/Illini. Those 3 would certainly help the B1G but not really push them over the SEC in terms of draw.
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Personally I enjoy the SEC but think Mizzou would be a better fit in the B1G, particularly if it meant reuniting with Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. I know it's incredibly unlikely, but think it would be a good move under the scenario I outlined above.
Meh, I'm over kU. Nubs are quickly becoming very bland. Well, not becoming. They are. OU doesn't move me anymore either. I'd rather watch just about any game against current SEC teams than against OU. Not to mention while you pick up OU, you also pick up Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland and so on.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:01 am to kilo
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kilo
Good to see you doing damage on tRant again my friend.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 12:14 pm to Mizz-SEC
The lack of success in Texas in 2014 and 2015 had little to do with "resources" and everything to with the guys working in the state, primarily Walker, Steckel, and to some extent Yost. The number of offers to TX players never dipped and its not like those 3 were kept from making trips. They did a poor job of building relationships and it showed. Odom and Ricker were working to normalize it but it is moot with the coaching change.
In terms of resources in the south,they sent the newest guys on the staff into GA and FL with Washington because they didn't want to give up established relationships in MO and TX.
If you think otherwise, so be it.
In terms of resources in the south,they sent the newest guys on the staff into GA and FL with Washington because they didn't want to give up established relationships in MO and TX.
If you think otherwise, so be it.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 7/23/16 at 12:37 pm to navynuke
Meh. I guess more than a few people thought so.
Missouri's redoubled Texas recruiting efforts make sense, but it's all about execution
Posted on 7/23/16 at 12:38 pm to Mizz-SEC
Wasn't the claiming Texas and OU thing put to rest by the 2 Board of Governors when the Pac 12 was sniffing around a few years back? The Texas BOG will not separate Texas and Tech, same in Oklahoma where OU had to be a package deal with OSU. So if you want UT and OU and you have 4 spots TT and OSU round out the 4, so technically there is no home for Kansas or a spot for Mizzou to switch.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:18 pm to reedus23
Its the preseason. Have to get prepared for the upcoming season.
I see a few Mizzou types starting to trickle back and throwing some punches. I have this feeling that it could be a fun year as Mizzou could surprise a few folks.
I see a few Mizzou types starting to trickle back and throwing some punches. I have this feeling that it could be a fun year as Mizzou could surprise a few folks.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:23 pm to Mizz-SEC
Cool story. Gabe and Bill have opinions that are just that.... opinions.There isn't anything factual about any of that verbage.
Look at the attendance list for night at the zou. 22 players from the SEC footprint,13 from Louisiana alone. 5 From Texas.
Look at the attendance list for night at the zou. 22 players from the SEC footprint,13 from Louisiana alone. 5 From Texas.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:37 pm to kilo
Getting the middle of the line right and/or coaching around it is a big test for Elarbee and JH.
I think Hill being back in the WR room will make that position group much better.
I think Hill being back in the WR room will make that position group much better.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:44 pm to kilo
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I see a few Mizzou types starting to trickle back and throwing some punches. I have this feeling that it could be a fun year as Mizzou could surprise a few folks.
Yepp. I don't know that we win anything but I do think we're gonna ruin some days for some people on tRant.
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