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Best post since Anderson announcement (ironically from TigerBoard)

Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:48 am
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:48 am
A lot of you seem to be hung up on the headline. "Mizzou hires Division II coach." I'll be honest, when I scrolled ESPN.com a few hours ago and saw a headline similar to that, it actually did finally sink in. We hired a Division II coach. We're Missouri, in the SEC, and we hired a Division II coach. That never happens. Bo Ryan coached at Wisconsin-Milwaukee for a few years before getting the Wisconsin job. Bruce Pearl went from Southern Indiana to Wisconsin-Milwaukee (coincidentally) and then to Tennessee. There seems to be some shame in that, some embarrassment from the fan base, that we weren't good enough to get a "real" coach, so we went to the Division II ranks. On some level, I do understand your concerns.

But what you're not realizing is that this is a once-in-a-lifetime scenario. Do you know who Jim Crutchfield is? I didn't before I googled him. He's the coach at West Liberty University in West Virginia, the team Kim Anderson and Central Missouri beat in the Division II title game this year. According to his biography, he was 241-45 entering this year, which makes him the winningest active coach in any level of college basketball. He apparently runs some crazy style that is highly entertaining and averages 100 points a game. Anyway, I'm digressing-- do you know who he is? No. Of course not. It's great that he's a Division II legend, but he didn't even play on the basketball team when he attended West Virginia, and he's only coached in high school and at West Liberty. You would never, ever see West Virginia hire him if Bob Huggins ever retired. You probably wouldn't even see Marshall University hire him. If he wanted to jump to D-I, he'd probably take a job in the Atlantic Sun or something. That's just how it works.

So, yes, under normal circumstances, Kim Anderson would probably make more sense at SEMO, or, in a stretch, Missouri State. But these aren't normal circumstances.

Think about this: Kim Anderson is the REIGNING Division II champion. As in, it JUST happened, this year. His alma mater, where he was a Big Eight player of the Year in the '70s, immediately has a job opening. He was an assistant here for a long time, he was an assistant at Baylor as well, and we're fresh off a coach who had no offensive philosophy, couldn't coach defense and constantly underachieved with NBA talent. Missouri fans are starving for good basketball again. It's what the fan base grew up accustomed to. So why the hell not hire Kim Anderson finally? He's from here. He played here. He coached here. He won a Division II national championship, for god's sake, a month ago! IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI!

These are not normal circumstances. If I had a choice, I'd take Gregg Marshall or Ben Howland. Sure. There's no use in denying that. But Mike Alden opted to take a bit of a risk. He knows his arse is on the line if this doesn't work out, but I really think it's going to. I watched Kim Anderson's first interview with Mizzou Network, and you can just tell, he's night-and-day different than Haith. He doesn't spew bull****. He's laid-back, calm, stoic, and exactly what we need.

As a younger fan who began watching Mizzou basketball at the beginning of Quin's tenure, I for one am really excited to actually be able to get a taste of the Norm Stewart era. To me, Norm Stewart is some sort of far-fetched fantasy, back in the "good 'ole days" that I don't have much of a connection to because I never watched those teams play live. But now, whether any of the fans of my generation realize it or not, we have live flesh and blood from the Norm Stewart era in control of our program. That's cool, don't you think? All these talks of the undefeated Big Eight seasons, epic games against Kansas, Dr. Detroit, and all that other stuff you hear about... it's back with Kim Anderson. And it's more than just nostalgia. It's a mindset. It was so frustrating watching Haith's teams, not because I had a problems with the players but because I had a problem with Haith. I had a problem with his complete lack of identity and the way we seemed to be regressing into this horrible, awful black hole with every passing road loss and embarrassing effort.

Kim Anderson is exactly what we needed right now. Kudos to Alden for making the tough call. And, on a side note, I really hope that I don't hear any grumblings that Mizzou fans pushed out a black coach in favor of a white coach. I understand why people might think that, but it's more a matter of pushing out the ****ty, slimy, underachieving coach who had all sorts of black clouds from Miami in favor of the old-fashioned, back-to-the-basics winner from our home state. I absolutely loved Mike Anderson for many of the same reasons I like Kim Anderson (although Mike wasn't from this state, obviously). CMA, before he left on bad terms, was very similar: defensive-minded, tough-nosed and blue-collar. I loved watching those teams. The dynamic defensive point guard duo of Zaire Taylor and J.T. Tiller, the sharing of the basketball, the team identity, the ASSISTS, FOR GOD'S SAKE (something Haith's teams never had in their box scores), even random guys like Butterfield and Volkus who, on the surface, should have been absolutely horrible and nowhere near Division I but managed to have some decent moments. Matt Lawrence got better. DeMarre Carroll and Leo Lyons got better. The players progressed as the years went on.

Kim Anderson is restoring some of what Mike Anderson built. And, probably most importantly, he's restoring what Norm Stewart originally built. It was very hard to watch much of the 2013-14 season, but I can't wait for November now.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:56 am to
Is this the handy work of ATX, or another blogger?



I'm seeing this hire in a certain light. I expect Anderson to demand more discipline on and off the court. I expect it to result in us seeing a team, not just guys in the same uniforms.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:59 am to
59, no Div1 head coaching experience, missed div2 tourny 5 out of 12 years, never considered a good recruiter, and did I mention he's 59?

Expectations on both sides are too high or too low. I hate the hire but I expect him to give Mizzou exactly what it's always done. Decent seasons in the top half of the conference and a lot of first and second round exits in the tournament. I expect us to be competitively mediocre.

We had an opportunity to land a big fish and restore this pond, instead we have an old catfish and the pond is going to continue to dry up. I just pray after this move we can recover at all.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 1:02 am
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27433 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:17 am to
This wasnt a good hire. Folks can keep trying to polish the proverbial turd all they want.

This one may do in Alden in the end.
Posted by Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Member since Dec 2011
4184 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:28 am to
Not me nope

Posted by Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Member since Dec 2011
4184 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:32 am to
quote:

This one may do in Alden in the end.


Do people actually think it was Alden's hire to begin with?

Alden passed this same guy over three, count 'em three, times. I'm not sure what other forces were at play here - Bowen Loftin, a certain faction of boosters, whatever - but what I don't think is that this was an idea Alden came up with all on his own. No way. He dresses everything up in politically correct speak and morality BS but his ego is pretty damn big at the end of the day. No way in hell would he essentially admit "man, those other three hires, I goofed not looking at this guy, whoops." I don't see it.

This way, by caving to whatever outside forces were pushing for Kim Anderson, Alden may be trying to save his own arse by getting a free pass on this hire. If it goes south, he can tell his bosses, "well as you know, that wasn't the guy *I* ever wanted to hire, but I tried to be a team player and do what you all wanted..." etc.

This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 1:34 am
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:41 am to
The situation is different now that it was during those three other hires.

It's kind of a unique perfect storm that made him more hirable this time than the other times.

And obviously there were boosters that wanted a Norm legacy to take over the program.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 1:52 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111617 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:00 am to
quote:

And obviously there were boosters that wanted a Norm legacy to take over the program.

And those old coots will be the first ones in line calling for Alden's head when this all goes to the proverbial shite it's headed for.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111617 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:00 am to
So basically, the article is saying Kim Anderson lucked into this job because no other university would do what Mizzou did.

I agree with that.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27433 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:39 am to
quote:

Do people actually think it was Alden's hire to begin with?

Alden passed this same guy over three, count 'em three, times. I'm not sure what other forces were at play here - Bowen Loftin, a certain faction of boosters, whatever - but what I don't think is that this was an idea Alden came up with all on his own. No way. He dresses everything up in politically correct speak and morality BS but his ego is pretty damn big at the end of the day. No way in hell would he essentially admit "man, those other three hires, I goofed not looking at this guy, whoops." I don't see it.

This way, by caving to whatever outside forces were pushing for Kim Anderson, Alden may be trying to save his own arse by getting a free pass on this hire. If it goes south, he can tell his bosses, "well as you know, that wasn't the guy *I* ever wanted to hire, but I tried to be a team player and do what you all wanted..." etc.


Meh. Booster's are involved in every hire. Its Alden's call. I promise you the boosters didnt say "No Howland, we want Anderson"

Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 8:52 am to
Our fan base: The North and the South

Posted by hoff6383
St. Louis
Member since Jan 2014
26 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:37 am to
I wasn't excited about this hire originally, but I'm warming up to him the more I read. My biggest concern is recruiting. I hope we retain Fuller and keep our two high school recruits.

Anderson kind of reminds me of Jim Crews at SLU. Not a flashy hire, but someone that gets the job done.

I'm not kills' biggest fan with some of these posts over the last few days, but I do agree that we should give the guy a chance. All this doom and gloom talk is a bit premature.
Posted by TheMizzouVisor
Member since Nov 2013
23 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:48 am to
LINK

This pretty much sums it up haha
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 9:49 am
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:51 am to
quote:

I'm not kills' biggest fan with some of these posts over the last few days, but I do agree that we should give the guy a chance. All this doom and gloom talk is a bit premature.


He'll be fine. Mizzou will continue to put a basketball team on the floor. Life will go on. The doom and gloom will disappear in time. People will either jump on board or just move on to some other sport/topic.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:08 am to
I've never been doom and gloom.

In fact, I'm excited about Anderson.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:16 am to
quote:

I'm not sure what other forces were at play here - Bowen Loftin, a certain faction of boosters, whatever - but what I don't think is that this was an idea Alden came up with all on his own.

People think Alden is some kind of Svengali who sends fake flights around and has complete freedom to do as he pleases.
In truth he is a mid level bureaucrat that has to get approval from the board and the president for who he hires as one of the most expensive public employees in the state.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 11:18 am
Posted by hoff6383
St. Louis
Member since Jan 2014
26 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:55 am to
Yeah Kills, you have been pushing Anderson from the beginning. That doom and gloom was the general consensus I get from other posters around the rant. I was just agreeing with you to give the guy a chance and he might turn out to be a good hire.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111617 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

People think Alden is some kind of Svengali who sends fake flights around and has complete freedom to do as he pleases.

That DeArmond is a dumb arse.
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