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Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:34 pm to TigerCruise
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:34 pm to TigerCruise
So bottom 15% of P5.
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:49 pm to the808bass
I don't get your point here. You're crucifying Odom for performing in recruiting like Missouri has historically done. 2005 class was ranked 42 by 247. It turned out okay. Damarea Crockett had offers from Navy and Boise State. I don't know what you want, but Pinkel didn't even start consistently being in the 20's until like a decade at the school.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:09 pm to Mizsioux
Agreed! We never have been a top 10 type of recruiting school. It’s tough to get those great players away from the blue bloods. I’ll take anywhere between 25 and 40, and we’ll be just fine. How’s Tennessee doing with all those 4’s and 5’s? The line is so fine for a 35 class and a top 20 class. We keep winning, Coach Odom will recruit just fine. I expect we’ll be better than 35 when it’s all said and done on signing day. Not worried at all!
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:30 pm to Bluegrassboy
In defense of 808, Mizzou HC a shot at a top 25 class with the instate talent this year. Had Mizzou had a great season and landed most of the local 4 star recruits that was possible. A class that included Babb, Thompson, Trout, Goodrich, Perkins, Parker and Adeoye would have been a top great class.
The slow start prevented Mizzou from having a great class, but Mizzou can still have a solid by Mizzou standards class.
The slow start prevented Mizzou from having a great class, but Mizzou can still have a solid by Mizzou standards class.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:46 pm to Mizsioux
I’m not crucifying him. I’m reminding you that there’s only 65 power 5 teams. When we’re 70th, there’s almost no one below us. When we’re at 50, we’re close to the bottom. 30 is a pretty average recruiting effort.
Pinkel earned confidence because he developed the players he recruited. We can pretend together Odom is definitely going to do that as well. But we don’t know that. And it will be a departure from the norm for coaches, not the norm, if he performs consistently higher than his talent level.
Y’all are fine with that. I’m not.
Pinkel earned confidence because he developed the players he recruited. We can pretend together Odom is definitely going to do that as well. But we don’t know that. And it will be a departure from the norm for coaches, not the norm, if he performs consistently higher than his talent level.
Y’all are fine with that. I’m not.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:49 pm to wubilli
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Mizzou HC a shot at a top 25 class with the instate talent this year.
The amount of effort that Odom invested in it seems to indicate he thought it was worth a lot. We can all pretend it didn’t matter now that it’s been largely a failure. “We knew it wasn’t gonna work.”
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:54 pm to the808bass
BO obviously didn’t recruit as well this year as he would have liked. The poor start prevented that.
2019 also is really good year regionally, if we want to start competing with Georgia for the SEC East. Then BO needs to start getting most of the top local recruits.
2019 also is really good year regionally, if we want to start competing with Georgia for the SEC East. Then BO needs to start getting most of the top local recruits.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:00 pm to the808bass
No one is saying it doesn't matter. Eventually you have to be real and stop moaning about it. Gary Pinkel went 4-7 and 5-7 his first two years here and won 5 games his fourth year. Give the man time. This years recruiting class his probably going to be an exception with instate talent more than the norm. He's going to have to develop players to win here. Him or someone else.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:14 pm to Mizsioux
I don’t have to do anything. But I will say this for the last time: the Mizzou 10 were a huge focus for him and the “pumpers” were giving us updates on whether we were getting 4 or 6 or 9 of them. Now we’re supposed to stop whining about it. But only because it’s awkward to admit how badly this has all gone.
I will give him credit. He has really turned the team around mentally. But it has cost us and will stil cost us in the future.
I will give him credit. He has really turned the team around mentally. But it has cost us and will stil cost us in the future.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:20 pm to wubilli
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2019 also is really good year regionally,
Meaningless. Same was said of this class.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:26 pm to the808bass
If we use your metrics Pinkel should have been gone year two, but then you talk about how Gary earned the right to be considered a developer of players. That took time. You can't have it both ways just to try to dump on Odom.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:33 pm to Mizsioux
You don’t even know what I’m talking about. Just blather away. You’re only trying to convince yourself anyway.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:37 pm to Mizsioux
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If we use your metrics Pinkel should have been gone year two, but then you talk about how Gary earned the right to be considered a developer of players. That took time. You can't have it both ways just to try to dump on Odom.
There is absolutely no comparison. At the time GP took over, 4 or 5 wins was about the best we had seen in a season for 2 decades. BO inherited a program where 5 wins was about the worst the team had done for over a decade.
So yes, I can have it both ways in your eyes because in my eyes it is not both ways. The 2 are nothing even comparable. One was handed the keys to a Pinto and made it at least a Mustang. The other was handed a Mustang and made it a Pinto.....so far. Time will tell if he can rebuild it into something more.
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:43 pm to reedus23
5 wins, one of the worst offenses in fbs, and a race war on campus which the football team was a part of. Real Mustang. I get what you're saying missing out on these kids will hurt. No doubt. But you have moved on from dumping on Odom because he wasn't winning to now dumping on him because he lost recruits for the bad start. Just seems like you're trying to dump on him either way.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:56 pm to reedus23
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Meaningless
It’s not meaningless. The way Mizzou recruits in state changes the ceiling of Mizzou football.
Mizzou can definitely go to bowl games almost every year, without recruiting the State well. Think of winning 6-8 games a year.
If Mizzou starts recruiting the state well, then it’s possible to start thinking of challenging for the SEC East.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:25 pm to wubilli
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It’s not meaningless. The way Mizzou recruits in state changes the ceiling of Mizzou football.
I agree with that. 100%. Meaningless because the same was said about this year. It will be said about 2019. Then 2020. Then 2021. And so on.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:28 pm to Mizsioux
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5 wins, one of the worst offenses in fbs, and a race war on campus which the football team was a part of. Real Mustang. I get what you're saying missing out on these kids will hurt. No doubt. But you have moved on from dumping on Odom because he wasn't winning to now dumping on him because he lost recruits for the bad start. Just seems like you're trying to dump on him either way.
You're reading too much into it. Mizzou has never recruited strong in state. We get the occasional players. But it's rarely looked at as a destination spot for in state kids who grow up dreaming of representing the state school. That pre-dated BO and will likely post-date him too. That's why I say meaningless.
As for BO...I will continue to dump on him when his results are dog shite and I will give him kudos when his results are good. Don't blame me that the dogshit has outweighed the good so far.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:33 pm to Mizsioux
Pinkel was never consistently in the 20s. I believe he had 1 top 25 class his entire time here. Max of 2.
Even then though, you are straining awfully hard if you are trying to say there is a demonstrable difference between that and the 40th class.
Even then though, you are straining awfully hard if you are trying to say there is a demonstrable difference between that and the 40th class.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:42 pm to reedus23
Nonsense. I don't know why you keep doing this, but BO was handed a 5-7 team with one of the worst offenses in the country coming off the biggest controversy in program history.
I agree that Pinkel's situation was worse, but we did go to a bowl 2 of 4 years before he was hired.
Let's stop overstating what Odom inherited. It wasn't that good.
I agree that Pinkel's situation was worse, but we did go to a bowl 2 of 4 years before he was hired.
Let's stop overstating what Odom inherited. It wasn't that good.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:56 pm to JesusQuintana
This year's class will come back to haunt Mizzou. No amount of spin will change this.
That's on Barry Odom.
That's on Barry Odom.
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