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Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:31 am to TigerCruise
If we release Fowler we would still be on the hook for $16.5 million a year over the next 3 years. Even if a team would pick him up we would still have to pay almost all his entire salary.
Trading Wong would be much easier. A package with Wong and some young prospects could pull in a solid player.
I would like a trade with the Tampa or Baltimore. Archer from Tampa or Machado from Baltimore.
Machado would be a good trade even if we could get a trade and sign him for one extra year or/and try to sign him long term.
This allows a move of DeJong to 3rd, Machado to short, Carp to second, and Martinez to stay at first.
Gyorko, Bader, and Garcia on the bench.
Trading Wong would be much easier. A package with Wong and some young prospects could pull in a solid player.
I would like a trade with the Tampa or Baltimore. Archer from Tampa or Machado from Baltimore.
Machado would be a good trade even if we could get a trade and sign him for one extra year or/and try to sign him long term.
This allows a move of DeJong to 3rd, Machado to short, Carp to second, and Martinez to stay at first.
Gyorko, Bader, and Garcia on the bench.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:36 pm to MizzouBS
I’d trade Fowler or DFA to just not deal with his lazy D and miserable hitting anymore.
We have better options in Bader and possibly O’Neill and Mercado.
We have better options in Bader and possibly O’Neill and Mercado.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:22 am to Athos
No one is going to trade for him now. And he has no trade protection.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:25 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
The only way he approves his being traded is if he sits most of the time and comes off the bench.
If we trade him the team we trade him to would want us to pick up part of his salary.
Fowler has the ability to be a really good player, but like most players that go into a extended slump it becomes mental.
If we trade him the team we trade him to would want us to pick up part of his salary.
Fowler has the ability to be a really good player, but like most players that go into a extended slump it becomes mental.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 5:56 pm to MizzouBS
And you think he wouldn’t sit on the bench if any other team would be dumb enough to trade for him?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:56 pm to Athos
I don’t understand why the closer was pulled in the 10th inning after Pham homered for a 5-4 lead. Norris has been good closing all year, and didn’t have much difficulty in the 9th. He’s the closer for a reason. I said it as soon as I saw Bowman warming up (who has an ERA over 5.00 as well). I guess all the shitty analytics mandate 5-6 pitching changes before you can win a game now.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:27 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Matheny has always always been a terrible pitching manager...especially the bullpen. That fact is weird considering he was a catcher. He has no feel for it at all.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:34 pm to kilo
I’m ready to move on from him. Give Girardi whatever he wants to come on board. If Matheny had his way he’d carry 15 fricking relievers on the roster. No team is going to win shite pulling the starter after 5 innings every game.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:48 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
But but but he did that and won at chesterfield valley athletic club.
I was a doubter willing to give him a chance. I think he’s had it at this point.
I was a doubter willing to give him a chance. I think he’s had it at this point.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:41 am to reedus23
I agree. He had his chance. It’s time to move on. I’m tired of seeing the starter pulled every game after 5 innings only giving up 1-2 runs and bringing in crappy/average relievers.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:39 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
After La Russa it will be hard for fans to be happy with any manager. Just like when when Whitey left and we hired Joe Torre. Torre had a winning season every year, but it was not good enough for fans or the front office.
It’s hard to replace a Cardinal legend. Torre and La Russa were both great managers and in the end both are HoF managers. Replacing La Russa will be almost impossible. Like Torre, Matheny has had a winning record every year as manager.
Matheny has had winning seasons without a offensive type HoF player(Yadi is a defensive HoF) like La Russa had almost every year as manger in St. Louis.
The front office has not given the Cardinals the offense or bullpen help in his tenure. This year the front office signed players to make the bullpen the strongest it has had in years, but it has been a failure.
I will agree that the bullpen has been Matheny’s weakest managerial problem, but it has not been all his fault.
There is no way this years team should have a winning record. The Cardinals have one of the worst bullpens in MLB and without a cornerstone player still have a winning record.
I’m not completely sold on Matheny, but he has not had the players on offense or pitching that La Russa had during his good years in St Louis. On over 80% of teams in MLB fans would be happy or love Matheny.
It’s hard to replace a Cardinal legend. Torre and La Russa were both great managers and in the end both are HoF managers. Replacing La Russa will be almost impossible. Like Torre, Matheny has had a winning record every year as manager.
Matheny has had winning seasons without a offensive type HoF player(Yadi is a defensive HoF) like La Russa had almost every year as manger in St. Louis.
The front office has not given the Cardinals the offense or bullpen help in his tenure. This year the front office signed players to make the bullpen the strongest it has had in years, but it has been a failure.
I will agree that the bullpen has been Matheny’s weakest managerial problem, but it has not been all his fault.
There is no way this years team should have a winning record. The Cardinals have one of the worst bullpens in MLB and without a cornerstone player still have a winning record.
I’m not completely sold on Matheny, but he has not had the players on offense or pitching that La Russa had during his good years in St Louis. On over 80% of teams in MLB fans would be happy or love Matheny.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:22 am to MizzouBS
Cardinals have progressively gotten worse since he took over. You don't get rewarded for going backwards, you get fired. Cardinals are screwed with contracts for the next 2 years so I wouldn't expect much to change till 2020 or 2021.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:34 pm to TigerCruise
With the pitching prospects in the minors and Reyes on the DL we have enough pitching that may allow us to compete in 19 thru 2022.
If the Cardinals want to compete this year they will have to trade some of those prospects. We have done a great job of drafting pitching and signing international pitching prospects.
If they do trade any of these prospects they will need to pick up a offensive player that can be a cornerstone player. Right now it doesn’t look like we have that type in the minors.
DeJong, Bader, and O’Neil can be really good 2nd tier players behind a really good cornerstone offensive player. The chance Ozuna leaves after 19 for free agency is pretty high, but until the Cardinals have that player like Pujols or Big Mac it will be hard for them to compete in the central over the next few years.
The Cardinals will have winning teams because of the pitching, but the offense will be their weakest point even with the bullpen problems.
If the Cardinals want to compete this year they will have to trade some of those prospects. We have done a great job of drafting pitching and signing international pitching prospects.
If they do trade any of these prospects they will need to pick up a offensive player that can be a cornerstone player. Right now it doesn’t look like we have that type in the minors.
DeJong, Bader, and O’Neil can be really good 2nd tier players behind a really good cornerstone offensive player. The chance Ozuna leaves after 19 for free agency is pretty high, but until the Cardinals have that player like Pujols or Big Mac it will be hard for them to compete in the central over the next few years.
The Cardinals will have winning teams because of the pitching, but the offense will be their weakest point even with the bullpen problems.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:18 pm to MizzouBS
Torre did not have a winning record every year here. He had 3 winning seasons, but was only slightly above .500 all those times and never had any pitching other than Smith and Tewksbury. He was an average manager until he went to the Yankees. That’s why he wasn’t accepted here.
You don’t have to have HOF offensive players to win. Just look at the Royals and Giants as examples. Early in his tenure, Matheny had a good bullpen. Hell, the front office made several bullpen trades in 2015 alone. Those 2012-2015 teams had very good bullpens. The 2013 team set or almost set a record for batting average with RISP. The 2012 team still had Craig, Holiday, Freese, and Beltran still in their prime. And Matheny blew a 3–1 lead in the NLCS. How stupid was it to keep pitching to a red hot Ortiz with 1B open in the 2013 World Series? Look how awful the team has played defense and ran the bases the past 3 years. I agree, since 2016 the front office has made several bad signings, but a lot of what you’re saying just isn’t true.
You don’t have to have HOF offensive players to win. Just look at the Royals and Giants as examples. Early in his tenure, Matheny had a good bullpen. Hell, the front office made several bullpen trades in 2015 alone. Those 2012-2015 teams had very good bullpens. The 2013 team set or almost set a record for batting average with RISP. The 2012 team still had Craig, Holiday, Freese, and Beltran still in their prime. And Matheny blew a 3–1 lead in the NLCS. How stupid was it to keep pitching to a red hot Ortiz with 1B open in the 2013 World Series? Look how awful the team has played defense and ran the bases the past 3 years. I agree, since 2016 the front office has made several bad signings, but a lot of what you’re saying just isn’t true.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 3:33 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
The 12 eam had a great postseason even getting to the NLCS. They were not even close to being the best team in the National league or MLB. Cardinals should have won the series against the Giants. What lost the series was Chris Carpenter trying to pitch hurt going 0-2, Matt Holliday being hurt before game 6, no true closer, and 10 unearned runs which was the most in NLCS history. The Giants has future HoF Buster Bosey for offense and defense. They 2 CY young pitchers(Zito, Linecum), Madison Bumgarder, and Matt Cain. Cain had a great all-star year pitching a perfect game and not allowing a run in the postseason.
The 13 team had the youngest pitching staff in baseball and lost their closer in 2013. Beltrán and Holliday were not in their prime, but they were still good players. Craig had a good year, but was hurt during the postseason. Cardinals and Red Sox had a similar pitching staff, but lost the series because better line-up.
The 13 team had the youngest pitching staff in baseball and lost their closer in 2013. Beltrán and Holliday were not in their prime, but they were still good players. Craig had a good year, but was hurt during the postseason. Cardinals and Red Sox had a similar pitching staff, but lost the series because better line-up.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 6:50 pm to MizzouBS
The bottom line is Matheny has had plenty of talent to win. But isn’t getting it done.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 11:46 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Matheny has some talent. It also has to rely on one of you the youngest MLB experienced pitching staff in baseball.
The front office has not did a good job of signing and trading for players. Even if the Stanton deal would have went through he still would not have protection like he had in Florida or he has with Yankees.
The bullpen is terrible and it rely’s on a washed up starter, a 21 year old, and a bunch of pitchers that would not pitch on contending teams.
Even with all these players the Cardinals are still 1 game out of the wild card.
Matheny may not be a good manager, but the team is doing better overall than they should be.
The front office has not did a good job of signing and trading for players. Even if the Stanton deal would have went through he still would not have protection like he had in Florida or he has with Yankees.
The bullpen is terrible and it rely’s on a washed up starter, a 21 year old, and a bunch of pitchers that would not pitch on contending teams.
Even with all these players the Cardinals are still 1 game out of the wild card.
Matheny may not be a good manager, but the team is doing better overall than they should be.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:05 pm to MizzouBS
So what are all the excuses for the 2016 and 2017 teams that also failed to make the playoffs?
Posted on 7/1/18 at 9:39 pm to MizzouBS
NO. They lost in 13, because in MMs Grand brilliance he kept pitching to the only guy doing damage for the Saul the entire series.
Ortiz.
Ortiz.
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