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Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:38 pm to Mizzou23
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:38 pm to Mizzou23
I don't think he'd deliberately leave the cupboard bare. But I don't like how this recruiting cycle is going with us missing out on the top talent from our own state. I like the kids we're getting, but I want our top home-grown talent to.
I like Pinkel, and believe he's a good coach. But he may have reached his potential and plateaued. If this is not a very good year, I hope we pony up and get a great recruiting coach with SEC ties.
I like Pinkel, and believe he's a good coach. But he may have reached his potential and plateaued. If this is not a very good year, I hope we pony up and get a great recruiting coach with SEC ties.
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:49 pm to semotruman
I would like to think he wouldnt but the lack of top talent from the state of missouri esp. this year where we have a strong crop of talent he has failed to recruit within his own state well. This could have been an outstanding class had he done so.
I don't mean it to knock the commitments we have now but we just had a great opportunity to lock our state and bring top talent to Mizzou from our own state, if we cant entice top talent from our own state how are we supposed to contend for top talent out of the state. This year has huge implications for the future of the program.
Mizzou 23, Reedus, and Semo I agree with what you are saying about lack of recruiting im just not sure what the actual "magic" number is for pinkel.
I know its far too early to start the "coach carousel" but lets say that "magic number" is not reached would you all be ok with seeing Bobby Petrino brought to MU? Or other controversial coaches such as Jim Tressel?
I don't mean it to knock the commitments we have now but we just had a great opportunity to lock our state and bring top talent to Mizzou from our own state, if we cant entice top talent from our own state how are we supposed to contend for top talent out of the state. This year has huge implications for the future of the program.
Mizzou 23, Reedus, and Semo I agree with what you are saying about lack of recruiting im just not sure what the actual "magic" number is for pinkel.
I know its far too early to start the "coach carousel" but lets say that "magic number" is not reached would you all be ok with seeing Bobby Petrino brought to MU? Or other controversial coaches such as Jim Tressel?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:21 pm to Mizzou23
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I would like to think he is a bigger man than that. Roderick Johnson confirmed to Dave Matter that Mizzou is still in the running for him today. As of now I believe there are two 4* players from Missouri that we have a chance with in Johnson and Monte Harrison. The others have committed elsewhere or have left us out in a cut. I like the players we have and think they can win some games. But I want Mizzou to contend for a NC and I do not think HCGP has it in him to recruit to those standards.
Good to hear about Johnson. And again, it's not about the guys they're getting to commit. They're solid. It's about the players they're not getting that could take us to the next level. Agree with you.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:23 pm to semotruman
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I don't think he'd deliberately leave the cupboard bare. But I don't like how this recruiting cycle is going with us missing out on the top talent from our own state. I like the kids we're getting, but I want our top home-grown talent to.
I have no doubt he isn't deliberately leaving the cupboard bare. That's not his make up. I have no way of knowing, but certainly get the impression that he is getting outworked by others and there's no excuse for that, especially with in state kids.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:29 pm to reedus23
I feel I should say this. I agree with everyone, I in NO WAY intend to knock the guys whom we have gotten thus far. Adams is recruiting like crazy for us. Greg Taylor could very well be a 3 year starter at safety. I love the guys we have gotten. If not starters at least very solid contributors. Just getting irked at missing our in state 4* players. But I will watch every game possible and cheer my boys on. 
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:51 pm to reedus23
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I have no way of knowing, but certainly get the impression that he is getting outworked by others and there's no excuse for that, especially with in state kids.
Exactly. Perfectly stated. You have to get the guys you want from your home state, especially when you're the only big school in said state.
I hope to see things turn around for the better this season. But I'll be cheering for the guys regardless.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:10 pm to semotruman
Never thought I'd say this until he lost more games, but Pinkel is done.
He F'd himself last year with his little mistress. That bad karma turned into a pile of shite. He's got to go, like now. What Stoops and Franklin are doing at UK and Vandy shows you how much Pinkel has failed.
He F'd himself last year with his little mistress. That bad karma turned into a pile of shite. He's got to go, like now. What Stoops and Franklin are doing at UK and Vandy shows you how much Pinkel has failed.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:11 pm to TrueSon2014
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I don't mean it to knock the commitments we have now but we just had a great opportunity to lock our state and bring top talent to Mizzou from our own state, if we cant entice top talent from our own state how are we supposed to contend for top talent out of the state. This year has huge implications for the future of the program.
For us, probably more than any other SEC school, it is IMPERATIVE that we lock down the top recruits in state every single year. If you look at where schools are getting their commits, they are from in state or a neighboring state(at least so far). The anomaly is Alabama for obvious reasons and UK who has gotten 2 commits out of Florida, Georgia and Texas each. But even schools like Auburn and Georgia are getting most of their players from in state or a neighboring state. Unfortunately, we don't border those southern states, making the failure to mend bridges or build them into Illinois a decade ago is hurting us now. I know they're making strides there, I just hope it's not too late.
Off of 247, schools' number of commits and number of those commits from in state or a neighboring state in parenthesis.
UK - 17(10)
OM - 16(11)(one of their commits is a punter from Australia so really 11 of 15)
UT - 15(7)
A&M - 14(13)
Bama - 12(6)
MU - 11(10)
UGA - 10(9)
LSU - 10(9)
MSU - 10(9)
UF - 9(7)
Aub - 9(9)
Vandy - 9(7)
SC - 5(5)
Ark - 5(5)
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:35 pm to reedus23
2014 for Missouri has five 4* recruits. Of those 5, two have committed elsewhere and one has left us out of his top 5. We still have a shot with 4* WR Monte Harrison and 4* OT Roderick Johnson. If we would have just locked down the state this year I would have called it a success and not worried too much.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:36 pm to reedus23
Yes i will root for any true son no matter what state they hail from just disappointing we cant seem to close the borders of Missouri, not even attempting to close them it seems with all the high ranked prospects and we've failed to land even one....
just disappointing we cant seem to close the borders of Missouri, not even attempting to close them it seems with all the high ranked prospects and we've failed to land even one.... 
Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:33 pm to TrueSon2014
With the recruiting deal, Mizzou has several things running against it's program right now. The biggy is instability or the perception of instability. A major factor in the instability is GP. It's also multi-faceted. GP is comming off a rough arse season causing all the concern about his job, he has a new OC, and those two add up to needing to win games this year. The other facet of GP is he is nearing retirement. He's simply not going to be around forever. Add all this up and there appears to be some instability of who will be coaching Mizzou in two or three years. But winning will help all this out. These kids who have committed elswhere could still flip if, GP can show he has the ability to win in the SEC, which shows he has a plan on how to do it with the right recruits. It also will put to bed the OC question on whether Henson can be an effective OC. It's all about winning games.
The other is facilities. We're running in the lower half of facilities in the SEC. Almost every SEC stadium you see is huge. Also might as well throw the B10 in the mix also. I know Mizzou is trying to improve and is improving facilities, but that is also long term improvements.
This is just my thoughts. Probably mostly wrong but it's what I see.
The other is facilities. We're running in the lower half of facilities in the SEC. Almost every SEC stadium you see is huge. Also might as well throw the B10 in the mix also. I know Mizzou is trying to improve and is improving facilities, but that is also long term improvements.
This is just my thoughts. Probably mostly wrong but it's what I see.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 6:03 pm to jafo
This offense is the problem we are not getting the 4 star OL in the state this year. Name me one OL that has gotten drafted in the last 5 years. Not one. More Defensive players have been drafted and drafted high than from this chicken shite offense of ours.
Now if Henson can change this offense to where the OL put there hand on the ground, the gaps are not 1 to 2yds wide, run the ball with some authority, and still pass in the shotgun Missouri will NOT be able to close the borders when it comes to O Linemen. It just will not happen, period !!!
We had to run this offense when HCGP changed to it because we could not get any big time OL to come and the high school football scene was moving to the spread. WR's and little scat backs were becoming abundant and we got our fair share. Well now we are in the "Big Show" and we need to scrap this offense and play some power football. Power and speed is a good combination
Now if Henson can change this offense to where the OL put there hand on the ground, the gaps are not 1 to 2yds wide, run the ball with some authority, and still pass in the shotgun Missouri will NOT be able to close the borders when it comes to O Linemen. It just will not happen, period !!!
We had to run this offense when HCGP changed to it because we could not get any big time OL to come and the high school football scene was moving to the spread. WR's and little scat backs were becoming abundant and we got our fair share. Well now we are in the "Big Show" and we need to scrap this offense and play some power football. Power and speed is a good combination
Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:55 pm to outlawjoseywales
Vic Enwere to the Cal Golden Bears....
Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:46 pm to mograyback
If even you have changed course, then that shows you how deep Pinkel is in it. As I have told Semo, I eagerly await December. That is the only thing getting me through this at this point.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 10:36 am to Stripes314
I found this site to be interesting as it lists the salaries of all coaches, and their "hot seat" status.
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Coach Pinkel is the #19 highest paid coach (7th in the SEC)
That's above each of the following coaches who are out recruiting Mizzou:
Franklin - Vanderbilt
Mullen - Miss State
Sumlin - A&M
Muschamp - Florida
Malzahn - Auburn
Mark Stoops - Kentucky
Hugh Freeze - Ole Miss
My point is that Mizzou is paying a competitive salary right now. It's not like we are low-balling the staff salaries. From a purely financial perspective, Mizzou isn't a bad place to be for a prospective new head coach. (Not that I've lost faith in you Coach Pinkel...win some games)
LINK
Coach Pinkel is the #19 highest paid coach (7th in the SEC)
That's above each of the following coaches who are out recruiting Mizzou:
Franklin - Vanderbilt
Mullen - Miss State
Sumlin - A&M
Muschamp - Florida
Malzahn - Auburn
Mark Stoops - Kentucky
Hugh Freeze - Ole Miss
My point is that Mizzou is paying a competitive salary right now. It's not like we are low-balling the staff salaries. From a purely financial perspective, Mizzou isn't a bad place to be for a prospective new head coach. (Not that I've lost faith in you Coach Pinkel...win some games)
This post was edited on 6/18/13 at 10:40 am
Posted on 6/18/13 at 10:48 am to 50CalMG
ESPN ranked all commitments except lilDGB 3 stars with Blanton and Jones being the highest
Posted on 6/18/13 at 1:10 pm to URHatinIt
Interesting post I saw on PM: Mizzou is the only SEC team that doesn't face a single SEC team in 2013 coming off a bye the week before.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 3:44 pm to TrueSon2014
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Interesting post I saw on PM: Mizzou is the only SEC team that doesn't face a single SEC team in 2013 coming off a bye the week before.
Good. Seemed like we had too many last year.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:55 pm to notsince98
Offered 15' 4* QB Drew Lock a basketball scholarship today. Lock said MU would allow him to play both sports. Projects as a 2 or 3 (position not star) in basketball. Drew Lock Rivals
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:21 pm to Mizzou23
Lock up the state and keep it locked this time.
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