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re: What should be our expectations for Rick Ray next year?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:18 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:18 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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Explain to us what is causing these ACL tears to happen?
Let's keep all things equal. In other words, not compare ACL tears that happen to the everyday individual to athletes.
Then look at the amount of ACLs other teams have had this season compared to ours. Add to that the number of players on those teams. This alone should raise questions. At one point, we had 1 less than ALL of the NBA combined. Then Steele went down.
As I explained, there are many studies that have been conducted by researchers showing that fatigue is a huge issue. Not 1 study. Many. None of these researchers have an axe to grind. Not all of them conducted here in the USA. By that, we see that researchers are coming to the conclusion that it is an issue. Separate researchers, different parts of the world, none related to each other, however coming to the same conclusions.
3 types of fatigue have been mentioned. Mental, physical, and central. To shorten this, it causes players to land improperly.
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What could Ray do to prevent them?
1- understand that he had/has time and that Rome was not built in a day. Yes, players have to be in shape. Nobody was expecting a lot this season. So he had time.
2- Understand that he was under manned and that those players had to last a whole season/post season.
As pointed out here prior to season to the point of bragging, our coach was a bad arse who pushed his players.... "long gone are the days of sidney".. (cheer cheer... ). Talks of how practices were/are. His own words, players words, and announcers talking about a 3 hour practice the day before a game.
I remember Steele and Ware in an interview talking about practice. They mentioned being fatigued. If my memory is close to being right, less than 1 month later, Steele goes down to an ACL.
What could he have done:
1- Ease players into to his game ready shape over a period of time. Rome was not built in a day.
2- Understand that you do not have a full rooster, back off on those players allowing more recoup time.
In short, find a balance.
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Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:19 pm to Tds & Beer
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make them practice like Renardo Sidney
Stupid point to try to even make.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:21 pm to darkhorse
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As I explained, there are many studies that have been conducted by researchers showing that fatigue is a huge issue. Not 1 study. Many. None of these researchers have an axe to grind. Not all of them conducted here in the USA. By that, we see that researchers are coming to the conclusion that it is an issue. Separate researchers, different parts of the world, none related to each other, however coming to the same conclusions.
Well then break them out, buddy. Give us some links. Then explain to us what was done to make these guys so overly fatigued that it caused more acl tears than normal. I can't wait to read. Thanks.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:22 pm to darkhorse
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Stupid point to try to even make.
Making a point that you are stupid is not stupid at all.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:24 pm to LBC
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We're not talking about Iowa runningbacks here.
Iowa? Not sure what you are talking about, but I'm talking about Robert Elliot, RB who tore his ACL. He played at MSU and finished up last year.
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We shouldn't have 3 players out before SEC play starts this year.
Should not have had them this season either.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:28 pm to Tds & Beer
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Well then break them out, buddy. Give us some links.
Already have. You are more than welcome to go to the thread and pull them up.
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Then explain to us what was done to make these guys so overly fatigued that it caused more acl tears than normal.
Just did. Not my fault you don't want to read. It's not up to me to get you to look up the interviews, the data, or the research I have already linked you to.
You want to know, click the links.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:29 pm to Tds & Beer
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Making a point that you are stupid is not stupid at all.
LMAO!!! Ok.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:33 pm to CoonassBulldog
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It also doesnt mean they wont. Especially with them having extra time to get well. And you can bet this coaching staff and crew has pushed rehab on them hard. 15 months post-op to gametime is a good long time to be ready
100% correct. They could come back as good as new. My point was that we can not say until they are playing the game.
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They werent sitting in a chair watching practice- I can assure you. They had drills they had to do just like everybody else. They also participated in the strength program with their upper body and good leg. The days of the injured just sitting around watching are over.
really? You sure about that?
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I'm going to say it was. Kinda like with our offensive line In 2010, our OL only had 1 injury. In 2011- we had 4. Then in 2012- we had zero.
2011 was a fluke- all the injuries were an abnormality.
I'm going to insist due to my knowledge it was not. However, we will not argue about it due to my choice.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:52 pm to deltaland
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Looking at that depth gives me hope. One good thing about this year was so many guys got quality experience.
Just the fact we have so many options next year makes me optimistic. We have 3 bonafide PGs to choose from between Davis, Bloodman and Ready and I'm assuming Davis starts since he was looked at to be our starter this year before his injury. Then if we want to play big next year we could actually have Borchert, Lewis and Ware on the floor at the same time or to play small we could have Steele, Sword and Thomas on the floor at the same time. Then you have RJohnson, Applewhite and Travis Daniels that will be long, lean guys that can play the 3 or 4 also. Lots of options and combos for next year where we had none of that available for this year.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:56 pm to darkhorse
And as I've pointed out to your dumbass you weren't there to say whether or not Ray was pushing them too hard. I was there for 2 of 3. I've told this to you several times already. Do everyone on this board a favor and delete your account. Your opinion isn't welcomed here, I can assure you that.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:03 pm to darkhorse
ACL tears happen for a number of reasons. To single out fatigue is only trying to prove a point, a useless point might I add. You weren't there so you have no basis of argument that fatigue was a factor. You can be an ACL expert but that doesn't mean you know what happened that particular instance.
Oh the horror. Please enlighten us to the workouts that were performed in said 3 hour practice, oh wise one. All you can do is speculate. Which is all you are doing anyway.
Okay? Congrats I guess? I mean it was the second to last game of the regular season in game. Everybody publicly has called what happened there a freak accident. He landed incorrectly, causing him to tear it. Stating it was fatigue is pure speculation on your part.
So basically you have no proven facts, just speculation on the part of someone that not a single person on here gives a shite for their opinion. I have no problem with others opinions but to take a speculated opinion and state it as fact is complete and utter bullshite. Stop trying piece your argument like that. You are picking and choosing what you want to say and ignoring all other factors.
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announcers talking about a 3 hour practice the day before a game.
Oh the horror. Please enlighten us to the workouts that were performed in said 3 hour practice, oh wise one. All you can do is speculate. Which is all you are doing anyway.
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I remember Steele and Ware in an interview talking about practice. They mentioned being fatigued. If my memory is close to being right, less than 1 month later, Steele goes down to an ACL.
Okay? Congrats I guess? I mean it was the second to last game of the regular season in game. Everybody publicly has called what happened there a freak accident. He landed incorrectly, causing him to tear it. Stating it was fatigue is pure speculation on your part.
So basically you have no proven facts, just speculation on the part of someone that not a single person on here gives a shite for their opinion. I have no problem with others opinions but to take a speculated opinion and state it as fact is complete and utter bullshite. Stop trying piece your argument like that. You are picking and choosing what you want to say and ignoring all other factors.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:51 pm to ChargerDog91
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And as I've pointed out to your dumbass you weren't there to say whether or not Ray was pushing them too hard. I was there for 2 of 3. I've told this to you several times already
Yeah, LOL! I'm the dumbass here kid! You ignorance is bliss.
Maybe if you had the proper degree, we could have an intelligent discussion. Unfortunately, you don't.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:52 pm to ChargerDog91
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And as I've pointed out to your dumbass you weren't there to say whether or not Ray was pushing them too hard. I was there for 2 of 3. I've told this to you several times already. Do everyone on this board a favor and delete your account. Your opinion isn't welcomed here, I can assure you that.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 4:06 pm to ChargerDog91
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ACL tears happen for a number of reasons. To single out fatigue is only trying to prove a point, a useless point might I add. You weren't there so you have no basis of argument that fatigue was a factor. You can be an ACL expert but that doesn't mean you know what happened that particular instance.
Again, go get the degrees I have. THEN we can debate.
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Oh the horror. Please enlighten us to the workouts that were performed in said 3 hour practice, oh wise one. All you can do is speculate. Which is all you are doing anyway.
No, no horror.. just no wisdom on the coaches part.
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Okay? Congrats I guess? I mean it was the second to last game of the regular season in game. Everybody publicly has called what happened there a freak accident. He landed incorrectly, causing him to tear it. Stating it was fatigue is pure speculation on your part
Not sure what it being the second to the last game has to do with anything. Are you suggesting it was less important due to that?
Oh yeah!!! All of them freak accidents! "he just landed wrong"
Get this through your uneducated head. Landing wrong is what fatigue will cause. So I say again... go get the degrees and then we can talk.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 4:06 pm to darkhorse
I'm a Doctor, or I stayed at a holiday inn express last night, these are fluke injuries.
If it's the case that when a coach pushes players too hard in practice they are more likely to tear an ACL, why didn't Bobby Knight's teams constantly deal with a rash of torn ACL's?
If it's the case that when a coach pushes players too hard in practice they are more likely to tear an ACL, why didn't Bobby Knight's teams constantly deal with a rash of torn ACL's?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 4:14 pm to schlow mo
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If it's the case that when a coach pushes players too hard in practice they are more likely to tear an ACL, why didn't Bobby Knight's teams constantly deal with a rash of torn ACL's?
Because Darkhorse is a got damn idiot.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 5:00 pm to darkhorse
The only uneducated person here is you. And you're obviously to dumb to realize that no one here believes a word you are saying. Go on with that bullshite calling people uneducated. If you were so educated you'd realize exactly what I and others are saying, GTFO, your stupid opinion isn't welcome here.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 5:04 pm to darkhorse
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Again, go get the degrees I have. THEN we can debate.
What degrees do you have? I genuinely want to know.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 5:26 pm to darkhorse
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Again, go get the degrees I have. THEN we can debate.
Ben Bernanke has a degree in economics yet he thinks our country can continue to borrow money indefinitely with no repercussions.....
Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you know everything.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 5:33 pm to darkhorse
I find it hilarious that you actually believe every word coming out your mouth is true. 
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