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re: How good is Dak Attack?
Posted on 5/16/13 at 3:11 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
Posted on 5/16/13 at 3:11 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
It's going to be a huge kick in the balls if we go something like 5-7 this year and then when Dak takes over the same team next year we end up winning 9-10 and ravaging the non Bama/LSU west. That'd be a wasted year.
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 4:59 pm to sorantable
Prescott is awesome... He is twice the QB Russell is... That's why he is the backup... Wait...
Posted on 5/16/13 at 6:40 pm to reggierayreb
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Prescott is awesome... He is twice the QB Russell is...
No one has said this. Russell has brought us to two straight bowl games with much success. You can't sit a kid who is an upperclassmen that has done nothing wrong.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 6:47 pm to pivey14
I can easily get caught up in the hype, but I'm sure the coaches play the best fitting guy. We were screaming the same shite for Russell during Relf's last year, so..
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:21 am to Hardy_Har
I think the running backs would like to see Dak running the offense. The DEs have to play the QB keeper option with Dak. Russell isn't much of a run option.
Most of Daks runs have been Wildcat-type runs. He is good at that, but he seems better suited for the option.
Most of Daks runs have been Wildcat-type runs. He is good at that, but he seems better suited for the option.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 8:53 am to Allyn McKeen
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Most of Daks runs have been Wildcat-type runs. He is good at that, but he seems better suited for the option.
Gimmicks and outdated offense. We couldn't possibly go to an option type offense we'd get killed.
However I think I know what you're going with that and yes Dak is the better runner and will make the Defenses think twice. Combine that with his throwing abilities and we've got ourselves a winner.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:10 am to TaxmanMSU
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Gimmicks and outdated offense. We couldn't possibly go to an option type offense we'd get killed.
Umm, Isn't this an option play that seems to be a big part of the Dan Mullen's offense?
"The most popular running play employed in the spread is the Read Option. This play is also known as the Zone-Read, QB Choice, or QB Wrap. A type of double option, the read option is a relatively simple play during which the offensive line zone blocks in one direction, ignoring defensive personnel, while the quarterback makes a single read (usually of the backside defensive end or linebacker) and decides whether or not to hand the ball to a running back on a dive or slant track -- "reading the end and decide whether to keep it or to pull it"."
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:29 am to More Cowbell 1963
Yes, the read option is what we ran almost exclusively with Relf -- in an offense that was as successful overall as the one Russell ran last year despite having a QB that couldn't throw.
The read option with Dak and our ability to hit on deep balls is a potentially lethal combination -- if you consider that we are just adding a dimension to what Relf already did well.
There is no "figuring out" the read option -- that's why you are seeing a bunch of it in the pros now after it's been crazy successful at Oregon and other places in the college ranks...
The read option with Dak and our ability to hit on deep balls is a potentially lethal combination -- if you consider that we are just adding a dimension to what Relf already did well.
There is no "figuring out" the read option -- that's why you are seeing a bunch of it in the pros now after it's been crazy successful at Oregon and other places in the college ranks...
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:50 am to More Cowbell 1963
I thought Run Option and Read Option were two different things.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 11:14 am to TaxmanMSU
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I thought Run Option and Read Option were two different things.
Speed option and read option are two different things. We (have) run a bit of both -- but the base Relf offense was the read option -- which is what he's advocating for Dak.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 11:30 am to engie
I see, thanks. Whenever I see Option I think Nebraska offenses of the 90's, which I consider to be outdated of course.
I'll quit trying to act like I know anything about the intricacies of football.
I'll quit trying to act like I know anything about the intricacies of football.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 11:40 am to TaxmanMSU
Posted on 5/17/13 at 12:49 pm to TaxmanMSU
When I said "run option", I meant "running threat".
Under Mullen we haven't done this option well. Mighty Mite gave it to Dixon regardless of what the end did. Relf kept it regardless of what the end did. Russell hasn't done the option much at all. Dak is the first that can hand it off, run it, and throw the play-action pass.
Under Mullen we haven't done this option well. Mighty Mite gave it to Dixon regardless of what the end did. Relf kept it regardless of what the end did. Russell hasn't done the option much at all. Dak is the first that can hand it off, run it, and throw the play-action pass.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:00 pm to Allyn McKeen
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Under Mullen we haven't done this option well. Mighty Mite gave it to Dixon regardless of what the end did.
Except against LSU at the 6 inch line
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:18 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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I know a couple of coaches on our staff that think Dak should start over Tyler.
Brewster said this before he left. Said he would make the change in the Spring and never look back if it were him.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:25 pm to pivey14
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You can't sit a kid who is an upperclassmen that has done nothing wrong.
Russell was 0-4 in the SEC last year vs winning teams and 0-1 in bowl games
We only averaged 13 PPG in those games offensively- and it would have been lower without the 3 TD passes Dak threw
Bama? Dak led us to a garbage TD
LSU? Dak threw a TD pass, Tyler threw a TD pass and also threw one to LSU
A&M? We only had 3 first downs at the halfway point of the 3rd quarter
OM? Tyler led us to 10 points while getting 3 turnovers from the defense...Dak had a garbage TD and we ran a KO back
NW? Tyler threw 4 picks- one was a pick-6 and another set them inside the 10- basically losing the game for us
You might want to re-examine your statement- could Dak possibly be worse than that?
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:45 pm to CoonassBulldog
You make a strong argument for ditching TR. But how bad will he need to be this year before we start Dak?
Hasn't Dan said this year that TR is his guy 100%?
I remember Dak being the one that was the difference maker when our offense was dragging, even in our wins last year.
Hasn't Dan said this year that TR is his guy 100%?
I remember Dak being the one that was the difference maker when our offense was dragging, even in our wins last year.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:47 pm to CoonassBulldog
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Bama? Dak led us to a garbage TD
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Dak had a garbage TD
Tyler > Dak right now.
Can Dak make these kinds of throws? LINK Probably not.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:23 pm to Mstate
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Can Dak make these kinds of throws? LINK Probably not.
That link showed TR throwing 2 passes. One was a TD for us and one was a TD for LSU. The TD to Chad on the corner route, Dak threw the exact same pass to Marcus in the same clip. Not saying Dak is better than TR right now, but that link accomplished nothing in your favor.
ETA: and I do know that game was one of TR better games and he made numerous great throws that game, but that link doesn't show that
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:30 pm to 17theBears
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Dak threw the exact same pass to Marcus in the same clip
oh please that pass was a WIDE OPEN 15 yard bullet pass to marcus green. Tyler Russell had to throw it 23 yards with some air under it to a perfect spot or it would be incomplete
Also when Russell gets time our slow arse receivers would eventually find a little bit of room and he would make a great throw but everytime he got pressured he had to throw it up or take a sack because they would take forever to get space.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 3:39 pm
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