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re: My humble and limited take on this year.

Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:19 am to
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:19 am to
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UF has been shredded on the ground the last few years. They have given up 170 yards or more rushing in 13 of the last 24 games they have played. Blame that on the offense some if you want, but part of that is the defensive front is just not as good as it once was.


Yeah.......a lot of that is to blame on the offense and just having zero depth at linebacker with both of our senior safeties out last season.

The S&C should be better and we have bonafide backups. Dean can play anywhere as a DB and Burney is pretty talented as well if the guys don't live up to the hype.

Just having fricking backups should help us tremendously, though. A lot of broken tackles happened when there was just no gas in the tank, and if what all ex-players, current players and external players (recruits) saying the culture has changed, well, we should be in a better place.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 4:39 pm to
Along with Slaton please add Campbell as a true frosh who played last season and will see more snaps...Clayton has added weight and is moved to DT.

And when your offense has been as bad as ours has been..the defense does look worse than it is. In 2016 we had one of the best defenses in the country even with an average at best offense.

Again...we could go on and on...what for? Discussion? I guess. Id rather be optimistic and wrong than negative and right.
Posted by Daddyof4
Country Club, MO
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:24 pm to
Slaton, Conliffe, Campbell. I like these young kids. Depending on the 4-3 or a 3-4 setup they play diff positions. I like their upside a lot.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 7:39 am to
The culture supposedly changed with Muschamp. And then with Mac. It's all a bunch of bull shite until they step on the field and actually compete, which is something UF has struggled with in recent years.

I think they will be better, but my optimism is muted because the shite we are hearing this off season is the same shite we have heard before, just about different coaches.

I hope I am pleasantly surprised.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 8:07 am to
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Id rather be optimistic and wrong than negative and right.


Preach on, fellow Gator!

We will have a better season than most expect this year, so you will be optimistic and right this year!

Go Gators!
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 8:20 am to
Even a broken watch is right twice a day lol.

Also - I don't think I'm being negative. Realistic. 7-8 wins and I'll be a happy camper, especially after last year.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 8:27 am to
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Also - I don't think I'm being negative. Realistic. 7-8 wins and I'll be a happy camper,


If 7-8 wins will make you happy, you will be overjoyed by season end. There is talent and experience on this team. With decent QB, O-line play, we will upset some folks that are pretty overconfident right now that they will get a W against the Gators.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:41 am to
With decent QB play.... lol.

Says all gator fans in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and now 2018...
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:45 am to
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With decent QB play.... lol.

Says all gator fans in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and now 2018...


In hindsight, UF had decent QB play in 2012.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:14 pm to
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and now 2018...


If we don't have improved QB play, we may have hired the wrong coach, but I am confident we didn't.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:36 pm to
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The culture supposedly changed with Muschamp. And then with Mac. It's all a bunch of bull shite until they step on the field and actually compete, which is something UF has struggled with in recent years.


These aren't fluff pieces from Gator media. These are ex-players who have no reason to prop up the next regime. Jordan Sherit who can't play football anymore anyway isn't going to bullshite about it.

How many players came out and said S&C under McElwain was a joke? How many said this about Muschamp? No one said it about Muschamp. So unless every single recruit, every single ex-player and all of the physical evidence they've provided is just black propaganda then they need to be working for the government, not sports.

Too many different sources and even empirical evidence on the field back up the claims.

Also: 7 - 8 wins is inexcusable.

We were inches away from beating: LSU, A&M, South Carolina and even FSU if Franks didn't decide to switch jerseys.

Add in Northern Colorado and that season has 9 wins. If a zombie team with a backup HC could have easily been a 9 win teams with some lucky bounces, no way on Earth should we have 8 this frickin' year and Mullen definitely isn't the guy.

We're returning the entire roster + transfers and suspended players, swapping out Michigan for an FCS and playing Missouri, South Carolina and LSU at home. If Mullen is the guy, this schedule should be easy to navigate.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:58 pm to
Slayer, get out of that dark world man. Yes, I myself have predicted better results every year for a while.

2011 Muschamp inherited a team softer than shitpaper and lost a starting QB against Bama an had to use two true frosh QBs not nearly ready to play.

2012 was a surprise to me...mainly because Muschamp developed a defense in year two that was downright stingy and we were # 2 in the BCS until the UGA loss...which don't forget had 25 personal fouls called by flag happy refs. We got hurt the most by it...but turnovers are what hurt us the most...win that close game and we would have played for a NC. Folks forget that.

2013 was a disaster because of injuries that few teams ever experience. 2014 was on Boom.

Enter Mac and he did provide us with two east divisions and a QB who lied about PEDs. What signal is sent to the team if punishment isn't meted out? But Mac didnt exude people skills and the staff was not helping him at all.


We haven't won SEC titles and I am just as disappointed as anyone. But although Mullen wasn't my prime choice to be HC, I have warmed up to the enthusiasm and energy level. The man hasn't coached a game yet and he will get at least three or four years to prove his worth. I don't think it will take very long though. He is smiling because he knows he has inherited a loaded team and just needs tweaking and proper coaching.


You feel that the team is lacking enough talent....I of course disagree...7 or 8 wins will not be nearly enough to make me happy I assure you. I am thinking along the lines of 10-11 wins.
Posted by Louisiana Gator
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2012
674 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 12:26 am to
I'm with you Reel. Mullen wasn't my first choice, but I still think he is a great hire. I have bought into this team. I think he will lead us back to the podium with the crystal ball. Can't wait for September to get here.
Posted by Bbobalou
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:47 pm to
I like everyone’s enthusiasm but… to think we will have this miraculous turn around and not lose some games we should win is ludicrous. Can it happen, sure. To say 10 wins is a must is not realistic to me.

Would I take 10 wins? Hell yea. I’m more interested in seeing the team play like the Gators even if we lose some close ones. I’m sticking with 7-9 wins.

That will show improvement and hopefully get more players looking at us.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:47 pm to
I'm not saying we're going to win every game, I'm saying this is about as favorable of circumstances you can have for a transitioning coach.

1. Davis, Scarlett, Perine, Lemons all return. Pierce is actually very good.
2. All WRs except Powell return, we add two transfers BETTER than Powell.
3. Entire offensive line came back.
4. Upgraded at TE. A lot.
5. QB will be better regardless of who it is, because we have Mullen.

Offense has improved at every position and playcalling will be better. To those of you saying "we're changing offenses, it will take time", this might be true but Mullen's offense is exponentionally easier than McElwain's.

6. Defensive line returns all starters outside of Bryan and Sherit.
7. Linebackers return all starters plus two backup or potentially starting LBs.
8. We return both starting CBs and lost our NB, but Gardner is back at NB.
9. All safeties have significant playing time, they just need attention.

Defense will improve, we may have the unit with the most snaps and the vast majority of them aren't even seniors. We have the bodies neecessary, and I think it will take them more time to adjust, however...this brings me to my next point.

Our season sets up very favorably for a transition.

Charleston Southern, Kentucky and Colorado State are all in the Swamp three weeks in a row. The hardest of these games will easily be Colorado State, and we get them the third week so our kinks should be worked out.

After that: Tennessee, MSST on the road.

Tennessee might have a worse QB situation than our own, literally and are coming off of a very bad year. It will be hard, but we'll have three games to prepare our team.

Same with MSST, it's favorable because we will have just been at a tough environment at Tennessee, but I'm going to assume they're going to get the shite kicked out of them by WVU so it won't be so bad. However, we will probably lose this game.

Then we have LSU at home, and they needed a miracle and terrible Quarterback play to beat us by one point. We will crush LSU this year, as it's a huge recruiting weekend as well and we'll be throwing everything at them.

After LSU we're at Vanderbilt. Easy win.

We could easily be going into the Georgia game 6 - 1 where we will likely lose, but it wouldn't be the first time we were a serious underdog and ruined their season.

Then we have Mizzou at home, which will be quite a different tale than last season if we can avoid injuries.

South Carolina needed a miracle to beat us at home missing 28 scholarship players and our backup HC with a QB who wasn't built for the offense to win by one possession. They will not win in the Swamp without injury problems, and even then I think Mullen recognizes the urgency of this game.

Then we have Idaho, an FCS. Should be an easy win.

We go into the FSU game at 9 - 2 and have three games at home that are relatively easy to hopefully rest and get ourselves in the best position to go to Ron Zook stadium.

I see 10 - 2 or 9 - 3, unless Mullen gets outrageously outcoached. People forget that even in our bad recruiting times, we were still recruiting better than most of the SEC, so if we lose it's by virtue of just having poor coaching.

The talent and experience is there, we just need our team to have direction -- and I believe Mullen is the guy to give it ot them.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 6:46 pm to
I think UGA will possibly have 2 SEC losses when we play them...they lost ALL FOUR STARTING LBs, you don't recover that very easily. Offense doesn't win games. Our corners will be in the NFL as HIGH draft picks after 2019..we can bottle up their best WR and Fromm hasn't faced many third and longs or blitzs because of their run game last year.

UGA will slip some and they have only 3 starters back on defense. Remember in our history that after winning a NC we falter the next year due to losing key players. In 2007 we only had 2 starters return on defense and that's why Tebow had to carry the team on his back, We lost 4 games.


LSU lost some serious talent on defense too. They will be tough but not SEC CG tough imo.


USC will be tough and thank God its at the Swamp. They did suffer a lot of defensive losses to too.


Moo State we may lose. They gave Spurrier fits when he coached. Its the poor kids vs the rich kids. The loss will actually help us by giving players a bad taste in their mouths. Rember that LSU had lost to Troy State before playing us last year....they had their backs to the wall.


UT is still upside down with talent.


UK we own....but I expect a battle at home.


Vandy always plays us tough.


The girls school is very beatable and I predict they will have 2 Ls when we face them.


Mizzou lacks the tough run game and our secondary has more experience....they cant play like Washington State and expect to win a lot in the SEC


What are some of you worried about? frick that.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12506 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:10 pm to
It’s seems like we have seen saying years that the results on the field will improve the recruiting. Hopefully this offense actually looks like an offense and we can start getting some good recruits. I think we get 8 wins in the regular season this year . If Mullen is as good as the hype we will win atleast 8 games and the offense will be noticeably better . I excited to see what the offense looks like .
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:53 am to
First of all, I don't understand how we file Kentucky away as an auto win.

It took a miracle for UF to beat UK last year. 3 of the last 4 games have been decided in the final moments of the game.

I'll give you Colorado State, but only because Bobo is replacing his QB. They are actually a decent mid-major squad.

Although it would be upsetting, I would not be shocked if Kentucky finally got over the hump and beat Florida, after coming close so many times.

Tennessee looks like chernobyl right now, so I'll give you that one. MSU on the other hand, unless their coach is garbage, is going to shred Florida because of their defensive line and QB.

LSU just has more talent than Florida. Every game with them is close. It would not shock me if UF lost again.

And nothing about playing @ Vanderbilt is easy. That QB they have shredded UF last year.

Georgia has choked against UF before, and that's about the only hope UF has this year.

Missouri and South Carolina late in the year will have two very experienced QBs. If Florida has any injuries to starters in the secondary they will get shredded. Hell they may be destroyed regardless because those are two good QBs.

I just don't like how you look at these games like it's a forgone conclusion that UF should win. You think Missouri and South Carolina are going to be relatively easy games? WTF are you smoking? Have you watched the games lately?

Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 10:07 am to
Your right Slayer we are doomed. We have no talent. 5-7 then and maybe 4-8, what was I thinking?

Screw that!

Mizzou drilled us last year when our coach had been dragged through the media and we did have true frosh corners, who although talented, were still true frosh. The whole team had given up by that game, the UGA game and the rest.

Again Slayer, my reptile friend....you see things through that dark glass half empty. We lost two fricking games against LSU & A&M by 3 #@!%&! points. That changed our season. And again...IF you understand the mental aspect of college football....LSU had been embarrassed by Troy State before playing us, that's a dangerous foe....and they played 110% over their heads and STILL only won because of missed xtra point.

I did state myself that UK would play us tough...did I not? Ditto Vandy. However, UK has a new QB now and lost some talent. Vandy's home field is never an advantage because there usually as many rivals in the stadium. The coach has a great defensive mind but Vandy has high academic standards and is a private school...football isn't as important and its hard to have quality depth.

We had a young inexperienced QB who was not helped by the play calling or WR corp who were poorly coached. I have watched many replays of last year and honestly we should have ran the ball more, a lot more. Mullen will not make that mistake. An improved run game alone will make a big difference imo.

We faced a UGA team last year that had a lot of upperclassmen on defense (recruited by Richt btw) who were tough. They lost most of that. Young talent cant replace that in one year. Fromm has a good arm but hasn't faced the pressure he will this year game in and game out.


I could go on and on. The main thing is this: teams go through cycles, Bama will, Texas used to be a top five or ten team every year, along with Nebraska, etc etc. In 1986 when Bryant was at end of his career, Bama was toothless and had gone to pass first offense and had dropped the wishbone as every team did. In 1979 they were unbeatable.


New coaching, excitement turns around many programs and I think ours will. In the late 1980s UF was awful on offense even with Emmitt...couldn't throw a forward pass to save our lives...1990 enter Steve Spurrier and it all changed instantly. Not saying Mullen is another Spurrier, but he could be the catalyst to propel us back to better days.


Tell me why not?
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 10:11 am
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 10:24 am to
The players that laid down in the fetal position against Mizzou are the same players that are now leaders on this team. They are a bunch of big talking pussies until they prove otherwise.

I think Mullen will fix the culture but it will take time.
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