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Meyer to Muschamp question
Posted on 8/18/19 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 8/18/19 at 4:04 pm
Reading the Muschamp thread on the rant brought up a point about the turnover. Did Meyer leave a mess for the next person to cleanup? From an outsiders perspective it seemed like it. With the whole “inner circle” and what appeared to be certain players not getting punished. But the Korin laughed it off like it never happened that way. What is the truth of the matter?
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Posted on 8/18/19 at 4:14 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I think Florida fans greatly exaggerated a lot of problems that our program had.
Meyer left Muschamp in better shape than Muschamp left McElwain and McElwain left Mullen.
The arrest rate really hasn't changed since Meyer left, the guy was just a bad coach who was too hardheaded to understand that the HC position is really more about doing what's necessary to win rather than doing what he thinks is better.
Muschamp's offense has always been his downfall, and it has not changed after like four different offensive coordinators.
tl;dr:
Muschamp is more to blame than Meyer, we were fine.
Meyer left Muschamp in better shape than Muschamp left McElwain and McElwain left Mullen.
The arrest rate really hasn't changed since Meyer left, the guy was just a bad coach who was too hardheaded to understand that the HC position is really more about doing what's necessary to win rather than doing what he thinks is better.
Muschamp's offense has always been his downfall, and it has not changed after like four different offensive coordinators.
tl;dr:
Muschamp is more to blame than Meyer, we were fine.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 4:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I’m not placing blame anywhere since you guys have a much better grasp on the situation. So Meyer left things in place for Muschamp? Sounds like they should have hired an offensive guy like Mullen instead?
Posted on 8/18/19 at 4:55 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I feel like Florida has always prospered when offensive coaches came along. Spurrier and Meyer were obviously both offensively minded head coaches but I think even if it were a defensively minded head coach he would have done well with experience.
Our major problems were on offense after Pouncey took over at Center and we lost Cam Newton, and we hired a defensive HC when the biggest problems were on the other side of the ball.
People don't like Charlie Strong, but with how he runs his offense he might have had immediate success at Florida considering the talent we had during those years. Fast QB, RB, WRs with top 5 defensive talent would have made for a scary team.
Unfortunately we got spread QBs playing Pro-style offense with a severe lack of recruiting on that side of the ball.
What could have been.
Our major problems were on offense after Pouncey took over at Center and we lost Cam Newton, and we hired a defensive HC when the biggest problems were on the other side of the ball.
People don't like Charlie Strong, but with how he runs his offense he might have had immediate success at Florida considering the talent we had during those years. Fast QB, RB, WRs with top 5 defensive talent would have made for a scary team.
Unfortunately we got spread QBs playing Pro-style offense with a severe lack of recruiting on that side of the ball.
What could have been.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 5:04 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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People don't like Charlie Strong,
I always thought he'd leave Louisville and be the next UF coach.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 6:10 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Objectively he is the right type of HC. Strong defensive pedigree with a spread offense. That would have been better than both Muschamp and McElwain.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 6:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The talent almost got Muschamp to the BCS national championship in 2012. He would have made the College Football Playoffs had that been a thing then too.
That team was stacked on defense with it's only loss to Georgia in the regular season. If USC had pulled the upset against Notre Dame, you would have seen a Florida-Alabama Natty. People tend to forget this. The talent that Meyer brought in allowed Muschamp to stay another couple years, otherwise he was terrible. Muschamp flat out ignored the offensive side of the ball and it clearly showed in 2013 and 2014. The only difference in 2012 was that the offense did just enough because the talent outweighed the coaching (See Kirby's offense now)...
That team was stacked on defense with it's only loss to Georgia in the regular season. If USC had pulled the upset against Notre Dame, you would have seen a Florida-Alabama Natty. People tend to forget this. The talent that Meyer brought in allowed Muschamp to stay another couple years, otherwise he was terrible. Muschamp flat out ignored the offensive side of the ball and it clearly showed in 2013 and 2014. The only difference in 2012 was that the offense did just enough because the talent outweighed the coaching (See Kirby's offense now)...
Posted on 8/18/19 at 6:50 pm to ForeverGator
Kirby's offense reminds me of Muschamp's defense -- a lot of it ran by itself.
Fromm reminds me of Grier: Would have been successful no matter where he went. They both started as True Freshmen and they both looked way ahead of the curve.
It'll be interesting to see what Georgia does once Fromm leaves, because I don't think there are too many QBs who come in and are immediately comfortable in college ball.
Fromm reminds me of Grier: Would have been successful no matter where he went. They both started as True Freshmen and they both looked way ahead of the curve.
It'll be interesting to see what Georgia does once Fromm leaves, because I don't think there are too many QBs who come in and are immediately comfortable in college ball.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 7:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'll give them credit for at least identifying Fromm as the player he is. The previous staff had Bailey Hockman committed. Kirby then focused on Fromm and Davis Mills and honed in on Fromm. Mills and Hockman have been flops. We'll see if Mathis or Beck can fill his shoes. Gonna be tough whoever it is.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 8:15 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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I'll give them credit for at least identifying Fromm as the player he is.
100%.
I think most of the country would love a QB like Fromm, and even getting him on the radar is good. Smart, a leader, good arm strength and understands the game. Stays out of trouble (when he's not fishing
) It's really, really hard to replace that.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:11 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Meyer left a decent mess in terms of player attitudes but that was fixed by Muschamp in a year. He was left a ton of defensive talent, had a "stud" QB to build around(Drisk) but faltered his development. Muschamp did a good job fixing the entitled roster but just wasn't a great coach overall.
Mac was given a mess in terms of offensive line and skill players, but never really got ahead of it. It stayed the same issue year after year. Add in terrible S&C and his choosing to not fire under performing staff and he was gone quickly.
Mullen came in with the least talent of anyone coming into UF since Spurrier. He however; can develop and finds ways to use players effectively(like moving Gardner to slot from Safety). He also has used to transfer portal very well to add talent(both of our starting receivers were transfers).
Mac was given a mess in terms of offensive line and skill players, but never really got ahead of it. It stayed the same issue year after year. Add in terrible S&C and his choosing to not fire under performing staff and he was gone quickly.
Mullen came in with the least talent of anyone coming into UF since Spurrier. He however; can develop and finds ways to use players effectively(like moving Gardner to slot from Safety). He also has used to transfer portal very well to add talent(both of our starting receivers were transfers).
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:13 am to Porter Osborne Jr
The wasted year, after Meyer resigned and then came back is what hurt the program the most. There was still talent on the team, more on defense than offense. They didn't have a QB for the system after Cam and Tebow left. Brantley could have been a great QB in the right system but not at UF at that time. Muschump won in spite of his offense and completely wasted Jeff Driskels talent and as the talent on defense fell a little, the team couldn't win on defense only. Muschump left McElwain in poor shape talent wise again particularly on offense. The Will Grier departure crushed the offense under McElwain but McElwain left Mullen in better shape than Muschamp on the offensive side of the ball. Mullen did a great job in year one of winning with what he had, 2020 recruiting will be a key to continue to get UF back to being a power.
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:45 am to UFMatt
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The wasted year, after Meyer resigned and then came back is what hurt the program the most.
I didn't even think of that.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:20 am to Porter Osborne Jr
The turnover on the offensive staff was pretty bad under Muschamp. Debose was at UF for 6 years and had 6 different WR coaches and a bunch of different OCs, I think 4 OCs. Not a good recipe for recruiting or development when you are learning a new offense every year.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 6:44 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Muschamp inherited a much better team then he left for coach Mac . Muschamp had a NFL offensive line when he can to Florida , while Mac had to take anyone with a pulse when he came to Florida. Muschamp was the one that put our program back multiple years . His lack of offensive recruits killed us . I would have like to have Mullen take that roster over and see him with Driskell , Rainey and Demps .
Posted on 8/19/19 at 7:56 pm to tjv305
People have short memories...we had a light weight scatback in Demps..all 170 lbs of him.
Peter, we hired Cheeseburger Charlie after his stint at neuter damsel. He was so over weight he had to sit on a cooler during practices...he only came to UF as a OC to get free medical care for his daughter as I recalled.
I liked Muschamp and Straws blames him for famine, locust and earthquakes. In 2012 we were ranked 2nd and then lost to UGA...costing a shot at a NC. In 2013 we had severe injuries to a lot of starters and I understood why we were so bad...the Ga Southern game we had to use a walk on LB,a true frosh LB and we had Skyler Morningweg as a 3rd string QB.
Now, 2014? that was not forgivable.....and he had to go.
Peter, we hired Cheeseburger Charlie after his stint at neuter damsel. He was so over weight he had to sit on a cooler during practices...he only came to UF as a OC to get free medical care for his daughter as I recalled.
I liked Muschamp and Straws blames him for famine, locust and earthquakes. In 2012 we were ranked 2nd and then lost to UGA...costing a shot at a NC. In 2013 we had severe injuries to a lot of starters and I understood why we were so bad...the Ga Southern game we had to use a walk on LB,a true frosh LB and we had Skyler Morningweg as a 3rd string QB.
Now, 2014? that was not forgivable.....and he had to go.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 8:20 pm to real_gator8
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I liked Muschamp and Straws blames him for famine, locust and earthquakes.
I blame him for losing to an FCS for the first time ever at Florida after having the best class of all time to work with.
I don't think I'm too aggressive for saying that he deserves a lot more credit for being a shitty coach than Meyer has for leaving in an inopportune time. Meyer won two championships and left Muschamp a car that needed a new ignition.
Muschamp left McElwain a car in a ditch, then McElwain set that bitch on fire and handed the keys over to Mullen who Hillbilly Jerryrigged tha sonsabitch into some kind of freakshow but perfectly serviceable automobile.
Muschamp inherited the best team out of the last two coaches and had the worst results. It's just a fact, whether or not you like him. The 11 - 2 year had a lot of luck.
Posted on 8/21/19 at 6:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
That 2012 team also had the best DC we have had since Strong left. Dan Quinn is a brilliant defensive mind.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 2:05 pm to tjv305
For reasons I completely forget, I knew one of Driskel's roommates in passing. Apparently, he was a complete headcase by the end of his time at UF. That should have never been allowed to happen. I'll always wonder how he would have looked under someone like Mullen who actually knows how to develop a QB.
He was a smart student, did well and all of that despite fans assuming he was an idiot. I think he had all the skills necessary at the position, he just didn't have coach that knew what to do with him.
He was a smart student, did well and all of that despite fans assuming he was an idiot. I think he had all the skills necessary at the position, he just didn't have coach that knew what to do with him.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 2:59 pm to LuciusSulla
Driskel was treated way worse than any QB that we've ever had at Florida in the modern era. The worst part is that if you actually pay attention to QB play, a lot of the times it wasn't his fault.
Mullen with Driskel would have been...oh man, oh man oh man lol.
I just hope now we get QBs who have the physical tools now to get 3 years with Mullen. I really can't wait to see Emory Jones and AR15, even Franks this year.
Mullen with Driskel would have been...oh man, oh man oh man lol.
I just hope now we get QBs who have the physical tools now to get 3 years with Mullen. I really can't wait to see Emory Jones and AR15, even Franks this year.
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