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Posted on 9/21/19 at 11:01 pm to dbuchanon
Posted on 9/21/19 at 11:01 pm to dbuchanon
One thing Straws forgets is that we actually had a viable run game prior to this year and Mullen chose wisely to not air it out much. You cant compare apples to oranges. You can get off your soap box because you THINK that you have shown us you are right...that mental glinch in your head has that urgency to be right...and the board laughs at you because you are so easy to see through. Stop crowning Trask and become a Gator fan for once.
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Posted on 9/21/19 at 11:13 pm to real_gator8
So...Trask threw for more yards with an even worse rushing attack?
This is not helping any argument you think you have.
This is not helping any argument you think you have.
Posted on 9/21/19 at 11:40 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Well it does. Because we throw more because we arent running well. Not saying Trask didnt do well, thought he was outstanding. But we had to throw more than we probably wanted to. Jones in the game took a lot of run plays.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:37 am to Gatorbait2008
In the game where Franks threw for the most yards of his career was against Vanderbilt.
He threw it 29 times.
We ran it 62 times for 292 yards.
In this game Trask threw 28 times.
We ran it 37 times for 128 yards.
These are not sound arguments as to why Trask in his debut did better than Franks ever has regarding yardage.
Trask is basically in a one dimensional offense and doing better -- I don't care. I'm glad we have a Quarterback who can find open receivers and move the ball like this. It's all I've ever wanted from our QB position.
The fact is that he's doing this after having received much less attention, having less experience, a monumentally worse offensive line than last year and doing better than Franks did. That's it. I don't want to talk about it any further than that because it's obviously what happened.
Just wait when we have a decent offensive line, Mullen gives him his full attention and we can run the ball better.
Trask is going to be a special Quarterback, and it's already setting up for the "2-star who achieved x". Can't wait.
He threw it 29 times.
We ran it 62 times for 292 yards.
In this game Trask threw 28 times.
We ran it 37 times for 128 yards.
These are not sound arguments as to why Trask in his debut did better than Franks ever has regarding yardage.
Trask is basically in a one dimensional offense and doing better -- I don't care. I'm glad we have a Quarterback who can find open receivers and move the ball like this. It's all I've ever wanted from our QB position.
The fact is that he's doing this after having received much less attention, having less experience, a monumentally worse offensive line than last year and doing better than Franks did. That's it. I don't want to talk about it any further than that because it's obviously what happened.
Just wait when we have a decent offensive line, Mullen gives him his full attention and we can run the ball better.
Trask is going to be a special Quarterback, and it's already setting up for the "2-star who achieved x". Can't wait.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 6:06 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I don't want to talk about it any further
What, until tomorrow? Youre clearly not letting this go and moving on with the rest of us who are trying to enjoy being 4-0
Btw, Comparing 2 QBs from 2 different teams vs different teams is fkn retarded. For one who talks about context, it sure does go out the window when youre sucking off Trask.
Last year was the whole team's first year in the new scheme, different play calling ect as they learned. Lots of screen passes, I remember. And no matter how much you beat your drum, the fact remains that Trask has had a year to sit n learn while Franks was trial by fire with the rest of the team. Idc how long you've played, learning a new scheme takes time with new plays, verbage, protections ect.
Hell, the Great Peyton Manning went to Denver with his Indy playbook and said "This is what I run." He was basically the OC. He knew his window was short and didn't have time to go through learning another offensive philosophy.
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:26 pm to dbuchanon
I will say this trask did well yesterday I am fully behind him and hope he gets better as the season goes along. But let's not act like he did this against a top ten defense tenner is a very poor team that may not win 3 games ( and he still threw 2 int's and had a fumble) and trask should only need play the first half against Towson
I want to see what he can do against aubbie and the Yaw Yaws that will give us a much better idea where we are at with trask and the O-line
I want to see what he can do against aubbie and the Yaw Yaws that will give us a much better idea where we are at with trask and the O-line
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:36 pm to AlbinoGator
It makes no sense to bitch about the QB every week of the team you support. I support Trask just as I supported Franks, I'd be the same way if it were Emory. Did he play well? Yes. Did he have his fk ups? Yes. I'm not gonna harp on em, The kid threw 2 picks and had a fumble, I never said a word. Hell, I defended him as a matter of fact. Bottomline, We're 4-0 and improving weekly as a team.
Go Gators
Go Gators
Posted on 9/22/19 at 5:10 pm to dbuchanon
Trask was better. That's it. That's all I'm saying. Bottom line. Period. He's not our savior, but it's the best passing game we've had in the past two years and he did it in his debut behind a terrible running threat.
You guys should be happy, not salty.
You guys should be happy, not salty.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 5:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
We are happy, youre the one still talking about ppl who arent playing.
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 6:20 pm to dbuchanon
If Franks had been QB yesterday and threw 2 picks and fumbled once...we would never hear the end of it from Straws....so do us all a favor and kindly suck on your toes.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 7:27 pm to real_gator8
Fumble was bad, held onto the ball too long and didn't scramble.
Interceptions weren't at pivotal moments, and neither were terrible. Trask was asked to throw longer balls (likely to increase his reps). One hit his receiver in the hands, the other was on third and long outside of field goal range, intercepted within the 20 yard line -- just like any given punt so no consequence.
Fumbling in the red zone in a tight game, throwing a pick into triple coverage in a tight game, having an opening drive with a pick while throwing off of your back foot, across your body, into the middle of the field late -- those are bad.
Although you guys are too retarded to understand context (just as I predicted), so I don't know why I try to explain anything nuanced to you guys. "Sky's blue, water is blue, same thing!" - reel and dbuch.
Interceptions weren't at pivotal moments, and neither were terrible. Trask was asked to throw longer balls (likely to increase his reps). One hit his receiver in the hands, the other was on third and long outside of field goal range, intercepted within the 20 yard line -- just like any given punt so no consequence.
Fumbling in the red zone in a tight game, throwing a pick into triple coverage in a tight game, having an opening drive with a pick while throwing off of your back foot, across your body, into the middle of the field late -- those are bad.
Although you guys are too retarded to understand context (just as I predicted), so I don't know why I try to explain anything nuanced to you guys. "Sky's blue, water is blue, same thing!" - reel and dbuch.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 7:39 pm to real_gator8
Steve Russell made a comment during his post game show that he felt pretty sure if it you took the same numbers and changed the names, tons of people who are thrilled with Trask for the almost 300 yards of passing and kind of writing the turnovers off would be down on Franks for the two picks and the fumble and writing the passing yards off. I think he's 100% right about that.
Personally, I thought the fumble was just a rookie mistake, though I do worry a little about Trask sensing pressure when the pocket is collapsing. I think it's awesome that he will hang in there and deliver a pass even when he's about to get smacked. One of my least favorite things about Franks was his trying to extend the play and then airing it out down field rather than just taking the sack or, even better, just throwing it away. But there's a difference between not panicking and just not being aware. Hopefully, like I said, that's just a rookie mistake that came from playing at game speed.
That first INT - I think Grimes (I think I'm remembering that right) should have come down with that. I think Jefferson or Cleveland would have. I won't lay all the blame on Trask for putting the ball somewhere and expecting the receiver to make a play. The other INT may have been asking a little too much and was more on Trask.
I'm pretty good with Trask and think he does some things much better than Franks so far that we really need. But I'm also going to stand by my belief that if we can't put together an actual running attack, we'll lose a close one to someone. QB play isn't going to make up for an OL that can't run block, and after watching several post mortems, our OL isn't just getting swamped because defenses were stacking against us since they didn't believe we could pass. They are missing assignments and using pretty spotty fundamentals in places. You can't scheme out of people just not playing well.
There's no passing substitute for those situations where you need to put together a monster drive that eats up the clock and leads to points to seal a close game. I predict at least one - Auburn, Georgia, or LSU - will come down to either being able to do that or not near the end when we need to finish them off.
Personally, I thought the fumble was just a rookie mistake, though I do worry a little about Trask sensing pressure when the pocket is collapsing. I think it's awesome that he will hang in there and deliver a pass even when he's about to get smacked. One of my least favorite things about Franks was his trying to extend the play and then airing it out down field rather than just taking the sack or, even better, just throwing it away. But there's a difference between not panicking and just not being aware. Hopefully, like I said, that's just a rookie mistake that came from playing at game speed.
That first INT - I think Grimes (I think I'm remembering that right) should have come down with that. I think Jefferson or Cleveland would have. I won't lay all the blame on Trask for putting the ball somewhere and expecting the receiver to make a play. The other INT may have been asking a little too much and was more on Trask.
I'm pretty good with Trask and think he does some things much better than Franks so far that we really need. But I'm also going to stand by my belief that if we can't put together an actual running attack, we'll lose a close one to someone. QB play isn't going to make up for an OL that can't run block, and after watching several post mortems, our OL isn't just getting swamped because defenses were stacking against us since they didn't believe we could pass. They are missing assignments and using pretty spotty fundamentals in places. You can't scheme out of people just not playing well.
There's no passing substitute for those situations where you need to put together a monster drive that eats up the clock and leads to points to seal a close game. I predict at least one - Auburn, Georgia, or LSU - will come down to either being able to do that or not near the end when we need to finish them off.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:00 pm to LuciusSulla
I don't think if we flipped the names for any of the games it would be any different -- but I do think the context of their careers makes it easier to forgive, as well as when the turnovers are committed.
Not all turnovers are the same.
Trask had a bad fumble (holding the ball too long), an INT that hit his receiver right in the hands and an INT that was effectively just a punt -- none of them really put the game in danger outside of maybe the fumble, and it's easy to admit that it was probably the worst thing he did the entire game because he had acres of green grass in front of him but was too busy looking for a receiver.
Franks had a fumble on a routine read option/mesh.
In the Red Zone.
When we were about to go up 14 - 3 and likely take whatever fight Miami had in them. Instead, we give them the ball on a critical unforced error and keep Miami in the game.
Miami's up 20 - 17, Franks air mails a pass that he himself admits is either too high for one or too shallow for the other receiver. Interception.
Miami misses a field goal, we march down the field and get a touchdown, this is good. Next series? All we have to do to seal the game is simply not turn the ball over.
Next pass? Interception into triple coverage on our side of the field.
It's about the context of the situation that makes Franks such an untenable Quarterback, not simply because of the statistics. Trask's turnovers were almost completely harmless outside of the fumble.
Franks' turnovers just come at excruciatingly bad times.
Not all turnovers are the same.
Trask had a bad fumble (holding the ball too long), an INT that hit his receiver right in the hands and an INT that was effectively just a punt -- none of them really put the game in danger outside of maybe the fumble, and it's easy to admit that it was probably the worst thing he did the entire game because he had acres of green grass in front of him but was too busy looking for a receiver.
Franks had a fumble on a routine read option/mesh.
In the Red Zone.
When we were about to go up 14 - 3 and likely take whatever fight Miami had in them. Instead, we give them the ball on a critical unforced error and keep Miami in the game.
Miami's up 20 - 17, Franks air mails a pass that he himself admits is either too high for one or too shallow for the other receiver. Interception.
Miami misses a field goal, we march down the field and get a touchdown, this is good. Next series? All we have to do to seal the game is simply not turn the ball over.
Next pass? Interception into triple coverage on our side of the field.
It's about the context of the situation that makes Franks such an untenable Quarterback, not simply because of the statistics. Trask's turnovers were almost completely harmless outside of the fumble.
Franks' turnovers just come at excruciatingly bad times.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Interceptions weren't at pivotal moments, and neither were terrible.
Lmao! I fkn knew it!! Dude, just stop
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Not all turnovers are the same.
Pppfffftttt lololololol
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I don't think if we flipped the names for any of the games it would be any different -- but I do think the context of their careers makes it easier to forgive, as well as when the turnovers are committed.
1. For you, it 100% would.
2. Careers are irrelevant now. Trask has had an entire year to learn and get reps with the guys. If he’s not ready to play by now, he shouldnt be playing for Florida.
3. Turnovers are turnovers, dude. Only ones I really dont care about are hail Mary type throws before halftime. Ones during the game absolutely matter.
Youre in here crying about a 300 yard game, saying Mullen hates Trask. Maybe, just maybe if he didnt have 3 turnovers vs a team that will be lucky to win 4 games this year he couldve had his 300.
Im trying to support the kid like I wanted to but you make it to where we almost want him not to do well just so youll stfu and watch the games like the rest of us. Franks is out for the season, we’re 4-0 and you still cant find anything else to talk about.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:05 pm to dbuchanon
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1. For you, it 100% would.
Prove it. Oh, yeah, you can't.
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2. Careers are irrelevant now.
"I don't know why I bother, you guys are retarded and don't understand context. Look, the sky and water are blue, same thing!"
Careers are completely relevant.
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Trask has had an entire year to learn and get reps with the guys. If he’s not ready to play by now, he shouldnt be playing for Florida.
As far as individual games go, he out threw Feleipe despite only having started a single game vs. the 24 for Feleipe.
I'd say that's ready.
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Turnovers are turnovers, dude.
Killing is killing, self defense isn't any different than murder.
Sex is sex. Consensual and non-consensual are the exact same thing.
I don't know how many other types of analogies I can put until you understand that you are just fundamentally incorrect. Context matters.
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Maybe, just maybe if he didnt have 3 turnovers vs a team that will be lucky to win 4 games this year he couldve had his 300.
I mean, if he didn't share 15 snaps with Emory Jones he would have had a 400 yard game pretty easily.
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Im trying to support the kid like I wanted to but you make it to where we almost want him not to do well just so youll stfu and watch the games like the rest of us.
If the only reason you're supporting him is because you want me to shut up then you're just a piece of shite.
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Franks is out for the season, we’re 4-0 and you still cant find anything else to talk about.
We've been talking a lot about Georgia in one thread, I'm not sure where you've been but perhaps you're being hyperbolic due to me being right. Anyway, Go Gators. Hopefully you can work out all the salt you have because Trask just happened to be better and I was right.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Prove it. Oh, yeah, you can't.
You prove it yourself. Daily.
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As far as individual games go, he out threw Feleipe despite only having started a single game vs. the 24 for Feleipe.
I'd say that's ready.
Yeah because the play calling is exactly the same as last year with the whole team learning the scheme. Sure
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I don't know how many other types of analogies I can put until you understand that you are just fundamentally incorrect. Context matters.
Yeah ok, whatever dude. Anytime Franks had a turnover youd be all that was terrible, the defense has to go back out there after forcing a punt ect. Trask has one, not all turnovers are the same. Yeah, tell that to the defense who forced 4 turnovers only for Trask to give it back 3 times
quote:Again, he had his chance, 3 turnovers prevented it. Not Emory
mean, if he didn't share 15 snaps with Emory Jones he would have had a 400 yard game pretty easily
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the only reason you're supporting him is because you want me to shut up then you're just a piece of shite
I said From the beginning I support whoevers out there and I have. You talk worse about your own teams players than you do rivals, so whos the piece of shite again?
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:35 pm to dbuchanon
Straws: Out of respect for the injured Franks, please unsticky my bitch about Franks thread.
Straws continues to bitch about Franks, daily:
Straws continues to bitch about Franks, daily:
Posted on 9/22/19 at 10:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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He threw it 29 times.
Who was the leading receiver for that game again? Oh yeah, Perine, hhhmmmm
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