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Feleipe Franks' Pass Breakdown, and how he can improve.

Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:35 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:35 pm
I rewatched the KY game and every single pass that Franks took (including interference/dead ball passes).

The first thing I noticed is that the OL didn't play nearly as poorly as everyone is saying, he had a comfortable pocket for the vast majority of his passes, and his worst passes came from clean pockets.

The second thing I noticed is that there weren't nearly as many drops as stated -- I watched for uncontested drops and only counted two (both by Scarlett, one was inaccurate but should have been caught).

So here are the raw numbers:

20 - 44 (45% completed)

Short Passes: 16 - 21 (76%)
Intermediate Passes: 4 - 18 (22%)
Deep Passes: 0 - 4 (0%)

Misc.: Unforced Fumble on Play Action.
Uncontested Dropped Passes: 2
Contested Dropped Passes: 1

Potential (and) Interceptions:

Short: 0/1
Intermediate: 1/5 (defense dropped more passes than we did)
Deep: 0/0

The myth that he didn't have good protection is a complete facade. Kentucky was only awarded 4 hurries on 43 passes.

Dr. Straws Prescription for future games:

Limit Franks' reading and go with one read offense, short passes with the occasional intermediate/long pass. Just as I stated, the short passing game helps out the offensive line. Of the 43 passes and 1 fumble, Franks was not pressured that often. I would say he probably had a clean pocket for over 3 seconds at least 75% of his passes, which is very troubling.

However, the vast majority of his poor passes were downfield (just as I prefaced in the Spring Game), and the vast majority were off-target. Of those passes, 14 were inaccurate or contested, the others were more or less on target.

If we're going to move forward with Franks at Quarterback, he has to elect shorter routes and understand that he isn't nearly as good of a passer as he thinks he is. He needs to have monumentally less trust in his arm and utilize his checkdown more often.
Posted by finchmeister08
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:46 pm to
bro, you've got way too much time on your hands.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:54 pm to
Just two hours and twenty minutes.

I'm writing a book now that my business is running itself and I actually love QB play a lot.

Besides, this is like 1/10th of the work the guys in Reddit put in.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:22 am to
The game plan was fricked from the start.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:05 am to
Straws, denial isn't a river in Africa. "unforced fumble"? Is that where UKs Josh Allen hit him from the blind side? As I posted on the rant regarding this subject and your hallucination that Franks had clean pocket most of the night, did you not see how many pass rushers came through the OL without being blocked at all? I did.

Did Franks have a great game? No. But contrary to your assertion on the rant that you saw only two passes dropped and both by SCarlett….you need to really rewatch the game.

I do think your talents are being wasted and you should apply to be a QB coach at UF.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:30 am to
Straw, you must have watched a different game than i did. Franks was constantly pressured and hit several times after or during his throw. He didn't have a good game, made some bad throws, some bad reads, missed some wide open receivers but the O-line was terrible in protection and run blocking this game. The fault for a lousy offensive game is 70% on them.

And we just missed another tackle on defense and gave up another first down.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 8:31 am
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:01 am to
Straws has something against Franks and will be calling for Franks to be benched till he on the bench or off the team . Franks is not our problem. He wasn’t any worse then most of the players in the Kentucky game . Straws seems to think Franks is the problem but stuck up for MaC till the end and doesn’t appear to have an issue with Mullen. These coaches think Franks is the best option at QB so if Frank doesn’t belong on the field then neither do his coaches that keep playing him . We don’t have anyone else . It’s either Franks , Trask a guy who hasn’t been a starting QB since middle school ? Or we play a true freshmen.

Watching the first game made it seem like Mullen is scared to get Franks hurt. He was running out of bounce when he got out of the pocket and he called QB running plays for Trask .
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

The game plan was fricked from the start.




The idea that Mullen would call a game that would "put Franks in the best situation to be successful" is, needless to say, untrue in this respect.

However, I can't imagine Mullen asked Franks to throw downfield as often as he did, especially since the % was on the short game. 16 - 21 are outstanding numbers, with only one potential interception.

quote:

Is that where UKs Josh Allen hit him from the blind side?


No, it'd be where he fumbled a play-action play with no one around him for five to six yards.

This is the evidence to the unforced fumble, not his forced fumble.

quote:

Straw, you must have watched a different game than i did. Franks was constantly pressured and hit several times after or during his throw.


Maybe ESPN watched a different game too, which is why on 43 passing attempts Kentucky only had 4 hurries logged. Rewatch the majority of his bad passes, there isn't someone within 3 yards of him as evidenced here:



This is just one example, if you guys really need me to, I can show you all six potential interceptions. Not a single one was because of a hurry.

quote:


Straws has something against Franks and will be calling for Franks to be benched till he on the bench or off the team . Franks is not our problem.


Nearly throwing six picks in a game is a Franks problem.

Throwing and nearly throwing picks with no pressure is a Franks problem, and maybe I do need to get MORE pictures of him throwing stupid passes with very little pressure.

Hitting 44.7% if your passes when you only have 4 hurries on 43 passes is a Franks problem.

Fumbling a play-action (as evidenced in the link above) with no pressure is a Franks problem.

Like I said, unless we severely limit Franks' ability to make choices, he will always be the same old useless Quarterback he's always been, which leads me to the next Chapter:

Either Mullen called a very poor game (as I stated in response directly to Slayer), and he wanted Franks to throw downfield more often or Franks elected the downfield options.

Either way, Mullen has got to pull him aside and say: Franks, you can't throw downfield so stop trying. You're just not good at it. 4/22 for all intermediate/deep passes is abysmal.

Either Franks is off his leash and doing as he pleases, or Mullen actually doesn't know his Quarterback's limitations. We'll see what happens in the Colorado State game, but this isn't a good sign for Franks or Mullen if this isn't corrected by next week.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 1:36 pm to
Let it go, Franks is the best QB we have on the roster, or he wouldn't be playing, like it or not.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:02 pm to
Heard the same thing last year, doubted it last year.

Heard the same thing about Harris over Driskel, doubted it then.

Heard the same thing about Harris over Grier, doubted it then.

Hearing the same thing this year, doubting it this year.

I agree with giving Franks his chance to redeem himself, that chances was at Kentucky.

This is his chance to keep his job, and elect shorter passes and get the ball out quicker. If he loses this chance, I think we should move on.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:12 pm to
If he doesn't continue to improve, I agree, but give the guy a chance, He is better than last year. I don't know what his ceiling is yet and he is the best we have, per the coaches, who are paid to know.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:25 pm to
I mean, I hate to say it, because it is my least favorite thing to say, but this early you have to trust the coaches.

Dan Mullen has a strong track record with QBs. I assume he knows something we don't.

Or he is an idiot and he won't be employed here in 3 years, making TJ the smartest fricker around.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

I mean, I hate to say it, because it is my least favorite thing to say, but this early you have to trust the coaches.

Dan Mullen has a strong track record with QBs. I assume he knows something we don't.

Or he is an idiot and he won't be employed here in 3 years, making TJ the smartest fricker around.


There is no way I'm crunching these numbers and Mullen isn't. Franks hit over 70% of his short passes, under 25% of his longer passes. He had 6 potential interceptions, 5 of them were intermediate and 4 of those intermediate potential interceptions were dropped. He was hurried 4 times out of 43 and only one potential interception was due to a hurry.

All Mullen has to do is turn this into a one-read offense, or at most two read.

Play 1: Short pass isn't there, RUN.

Play 2: Intermediate pass isn't there (you see safeties staying back), checkdown.

Franks seems to hate the checkdown for some reason, and it's one of the reasons that Fromm is so successful at Georgia. Almost every other play he just hits his HB out of the backfield and make easy money.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

Play 1: Short pass isn't there, RUN.

Play 2: Intermediate pass isn't there (you see safeties staying back), checkdown.

Franks seems to hate the checkdown for some reason, and it's one of the reasons that Fromm is so successful at Georgia. Almost every other play he just hits his HB out of the backfield and make easy money.


All of this is good stuff but without a deep threat, what are going to do when the defense packs the box and takes away the short pass and dump off, coach Straws?
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

what are going to do when the defense packs the box and takes away the short pass and dump off, coach Straws?

then go deep. keep up Matt.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

All of this is good stuff but without a deep threat, what are going to do when the defense packs the box and takes away the short pass and dump off, coach Straws?


We completed 4 of 22 intermediate/deep passes and still completed 16 of 21 short passes.

Franks' arm is enough for defenses to have to back up, but he literally completed 0 deep passes and 16 short ones.

The defense will pack the box no matter what, because the chances of Franks identifying an intermediate/deep pass and hitting it correctly are literally less than 25% (as evidenced from Saturday).

See, you guys accuse me of being biased and only seeing what I want to see but:

I bring images, statistics, video evidence and of course previous diagnoses of Franks' faults beforehand.

Go back to my Spring Game thread where I said the biggest concern I have for Franks is that he has no downfield threat. He had 0 passes completed over 6 yards in the Spring Game, he now went 4 - 22.

I mean, continue to doubt all of the evidence right there in front of your face -- but I think if Franks is forced to make shorter passes, or even checkdown, he could have an outstanding year.

Is he smart enough to do so? Still remains to be seen.
Posted by PNWGator
Seattle
Member since Jan 2018
211 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 8:46 pm to
I have to agree with your assessment straws. Mullen keeps telling Frank's "you never go broke taking a profit" but he either can't or wont check the ball down. We have talented backs and it was WIDE OPEN several times throughout the game.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 9:08 pm to
quote:

Mullen keeps telling Frank's "you never go broke taking a profit" but he either can't or wont check the ball down. We have talented backs and it was WIDE OPEN several times throughout the gam


I think the bigger problem is Franks really, really wants to be a different type of Quarterback. He doesn't want to be Jake Fromm checking down 60% of his passes and taking safe routes the other 40%.

Fromm rarely throws interceptions because he almost never takes chances.

He wants to be Franks, high flying, long bombing, airing it out. He could literally be a very successful Quarterback if he'd just stop throwing it downfield so often and occasionally hit someone out of the backfield.
Posted by UFMatt
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/15/18 at 3:32 pm to
time for for a change at QB
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