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Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:15 am to real_gator8
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:15 am to real_gator8
It’s not a UF thing to be honest. It could be Sam Pittman coaching the top five players on the ol and I would still think they’ll have to shake out the cobwebs. Ol is the one position where you have to play together significantly to gel.
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:24 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Peter, I do agree with your statements in general regarding OL, its takes "usually" 2 yrs of being in the mix or as a backup learning to able to play SEC football.
BUT, a few times we have had true frosh start day one of a season because they were better than upperclassmen. You are probably not fully aware of our roster:
Noah Banks a transfer a year ago and a senior
Nick Buchanan senior center who is returning starter
Stone Forsythe junior who has played before
Brett Heggie junior who started games until injured
TJ Moore soph who has played in games at center
plus a lot of redshirt frosh as backups and potential starters and the players who might end up starting as r/s frosh include Gouriage and Michael Tarquin...who have caught the coaches eyes.
We recruited 7 OL last year to help our depth...more to come !!
BUT, a few times we have had true frosh start day one of a season because they were better than upperclassmen. You are probably not fully aware of our roster:
Noah Banks a transfer a year ago and a senior
Nick Buchanan senior center who is returning starter
Stone Forsythe junior who has played before
Brett Heggie junior who started games until injured
TJ Moore soph who has played in games at center
plus a lot of redshirt frosh as backups and potential starters and the players who might end up starting as r/s frosh include Gouriage and Michael Tarquin...who have caught the coaches eyes.
We recruited 7 OL last year to help our depth...more to come !!
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:05 pm to real_gator8
Exactly. This is a new line in the sense that they weren't starting last year but the vast majority of the line has either been in the system for the last year and a half or is/are a transfer/s.
Hevesy made shite into sugar last year, I trust completely in the S&C and Hevesy's vision.
Hevesy made shite into sugar last year, I trust completely in the S&C and Hevesy's vision.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Guys, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. Breaking in a new line can be rough no matter how years they've been in the system. It takes time to gel.
It does look like Perrine and Franks will have a big day running the ball. Should open up the passing game if so.
It does look like Perrine and Franks will have a big day running the ball. Should open up the passing game if so.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:38 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Peter who the hell is Fromm going to throw to? You have no, zero, nada returning starters at wideout and lost your best TE. I predict a few sacks coming to Fromm after his WRs cant get open.
We are loaded at WR and DBs...good luck with that. We have two probable first round picks at the corners, Marco Wilson, who missed basically the whole season last year and CJ Henderson...so we'll stick to UGAs WRs like white on rice.
Throw in Trey Dean a future All SEC player who really saved us when Wilson went down in the first game I believe. He will probably play STAR position like Chauncey did. With tight coverage Fromm will be forced to stay a little longer in the pocket and Gators will be in his face all game.
Of course the object is to win the rushing yards battle, as the team with the most yds rushing has about 90% chance of winning. I know Swift has speed and can break open games...but we counter that our own version in Kadarius Toney a human joystick that can take end arounds or short passes and break away...he is the definition of an ankle breaker.
We are loaded at WR and DBs...good luck with that. We have two probable first round picks at the corners, Marco Wilson, who missed basically the whole season last year and CJ Henderson...so we'll stick to UGAs WRs like white on rice.
Throw in Trey Dean a future All SEC player who really saved us when Wilson went down in the first game I believe. He will probably play STAR position like Chauncey did. With tight coverage Fromm will be forced to stay a little longer in the pocket and Gators will be in his face all game.
Of course the object is to win the rushing yards battle, as the team with the most yds rushing has about 90% chance of winning. I know Swift has speed and can break open games...but we counter that our own version in Kadarius Toney a human joystick that can take end arounds or short passes and break away...he is the definition of an ankle breaker.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:50 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I get what you're saying, and in most cases you'd be right. Like I keep saying, though: The vast majority of these guys were rotated in last year, the center is still the commander and they all have time in the system. Franks has also grown, so a lot less of it is on the center.
Oh, yeah, and Mullen is an offensive wizard. He will absolutely be able to scheme around a weak line since he did that every year at Mississippi State.
The catch?
The skill positions are much better.
He's never had a Grimes, Van Jefferson, Toney or really any receiver like the ones he has right now.
Franks threw for more than 600 yards than Fitzgerald. (He threw for 300 last year.)
400 more yards total.
Keep in mind, MSST was a much more in tact team than Florida.
Mullen's system is still a little new, but he knows what he's doing. Manny has no fricking clue what they're doing.
Oh, yeah, and Mullen is an offensive wizard. He will absolutely be able to scheme around a weak line since he did that every year at Mississippi State.
The catch?
The skill positions are much better.
He's never had a Grimes, Van Jefferson, Toney or really any receiver like the ones he has right now.
Franks threw for more than 600 yards than Fitzgerald. (He threw for 300 last year.)
400 more yards total.
Keep in mind, MSST was a much more in tact team than Florida.
Mullen's system is still a little new, but he knows what he's doing. Manny has no fricking clue what they're doing.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Yall definitely have the weapons on offense this year. I imagine it will be a ton of quick hitting stuff to start with to build everyone's confidence.
We don't know that yet. I'll give him a year before I make a decision. I do think he made some excellent hires though.
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Manny has no fricking clue what they're doing.
We don't know that yet. I'll give him a year before I make a decision. I do think he made some excellent hires though.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:08 am to Porter Osborne Jr
...Dan Enos is a "meh" hire. Nick Saban essentially threw him under the bus and got rid of him after one season of play calling. Miami didn't poach him and Miami is not a better job than Alabama.
Since 2004, he has been an OC for 4 years total -- spending three years at Arkansas.
2015 - 27th in scoring offense.
2016 - 57th.
2017 - 62nd.
Not exactly great, and while Alabama improved...it's Alabama. Anyone can run that offense. McElwain improved the offense from one year to the next.
Blake Baker has only been the defensive coordinator at Louisiana Tech and maybe Arkansas State?
Those are both extremely meh hires for a guy who has never run a team before. If Florida or Georgia hired either one of them we'd be scratching our heads, so I'm not sure why we're trying to paint shite to look like sugar in this thread.
Since 2004, he has been an OC for 4 years total -- spending three years at Arkansas.
2015 - 27th in scoring offense.
2016 - 57th.
2017 - 62nd.
Not exactly great, and while Alabama improved...it's Alabama. Anyone can run that offense. McElwain improved the offense from one year to the next.
Blake Baker has only been the defensive coordinator at Louisiana Tech and maybe Arkansas State?
Those are both extremely meh hires for a guy who has never run a team before. If Florida or Georgia hired either one of them we'd be scratching our heads, so I'm not sure why we're trying to paint shite to look like sugar in this thread.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:40 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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...Dan Enos is a "meh" hire. Nick Saban essentially threw him under the bus and got rid of him after one season of play calling.
Who doesn't Saban throw under the bus though. Hell, he threw his wife under it yesterday
Enos is a solid hire for a first year head coach. He's been a head coach before and considering he was at Arkansas he made them a tough team.
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His 2015 offense set single-season school records for first downs (305) and completion percentage (.658), while posting the second-best total yardage (6,051) and yards per play (6.83) in school history.In 2015 and 2016, the Razorbacks were one of two FBS teams with a 3,000-yard passer and 1,300-yard rusher -- featuring a different quarterback and different running back in each season.
That's pretty impressive and he did that at friggin Arkansas.
He was the guy Kirby wanted before Chaney. You can read the Bama board here and lots of guys wanted him to replace Locksley.
As far as Baker, he had some solid defenses at La Tech and he's a young guy who knows Diaz's defense. But we both know it will be Diaz who's running it.
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If Florida or Georgia hired either one of them we'd be scratching our heads, so I'm not sure why we're trying to paint shite to look like sugar in this thread.
I would have scratched my head over Baker but Enos is a great hire and he's who I wanted before he took the U job. You're ragging Enos for his scoring O but only once has Mullen finished above 42nd when he was at MSU and he was in the 80's a couple of times.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 1:36 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Peep the results on Mullen's previous stint at UF.
Edit: There must be a reason why Saban did not hire him and Enos had to settle on Miami. Saban probably told Bowl Cut that reason.
IMO what Enos does matters not. UF is going to run the ball down Miami's throats just like LSU and Wisconsin did. Diaz's defenses are not capable of stopping the run against top 25 team.
Edit: There must be a reason why Saban did not hire him and Enos had to settle on Miami. Saban probably told Bowl Cut that reason.
IMO what Enos does matters not. UF is going to run the ball down Miami's throats just like LSU and Wisconsin did. Diaz's defenses are not capable of stopping the run against top 25 team.
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:49 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Who doesn't Saban throw under the bus though.
I mean, that's fine, but an OC who went to the National Championship and still couldn't keep tenure doesn't raise any questions?
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That's pretty impressive and he did that at friggin Arkansas.
His offense literally did worse every single year he was there, there's no way to spin that. I get you're playing Devil's Advocate, but he was so bad that he was fired, took a similar job at Alabama and was fired (if you want to say let go, sure) and had to settle in Miami.
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As far as Baker, he had some solid defenses at La Tech and he's a young guy who knows Diaz's defense. But we both know it will be Diaz who's running it.
Yeah, Jeff Driskel (ex-Gator QB) almost had 4,500 yards of offense at LA Tech, too.
P5 and G5 are completely different monsters with much different standards. It's the same as an FCS HC getting a D1 HC gig. Not every school is built like Georgia where it's practically plug and play. A bad coach for Georgia won, on average, 10 games for the past 5 years before he was fired.
Miami was a bad team and just made a G5 hire and a failed OC for a HC with no experience -- and they need to build an offense from the ground up because it was absolutely abysmal last year. (66th in the country)
If they were in the SEC they wouldn't even bowl. They may literally lose to every SEC East team including Vandy and Tennessee.
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You're ragging Enos for his scoring O but only once has Mullen finished above 42nd when he was at MSU and he was in the 80's a couple of times.
Yeah, this is perfect because Mullen was there for 9 years and there were 9 years before his tenure (2001 - 2009).
Do you want to know how many winning seasons MSST had in those 9 years? One.
Do you know how many times MSST had more than 4 wins in that time span? Once.
Mississippi State was the worst or second worst in spending, revenue, facilities, education, especially location and prestige.
In the same span before Enos arrived at Arkansas, they had:
3 losing seasons vs. 8
2 years with 4 or less wins vs. 8.
People don't understand that Mississippi State spent a decade of eating dick sandwiches whereas Arkansas had actually been to the SEC Championship.
Mullen took an absolutely terrible team and greatly improved the offense with the least amount of resources available.
Enos took a middling team and progressively had his offense get worse and worse until he was fired. It's really not even comparable.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 5:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Peter, we will beat Miamuh by two scores or more. They don't have the same amount of talent or resources at the University of New Jawsey @ Coral Gables.
President Shalalala la la was on her hands and knees kissing Shapiro's white rosey cheeks after he donated 50,000 to the school...of course he went to prison for his ponzi scheme aferwards. He was allowed locker room access and had parties for the best players and $$ flowed.
What you don't know probably Peter is that back in the 1970s Miamuh almost shut their sports program down because of money woes and the Dolphins in town. The old Orange Bowl was situated by a slum area and you took your life in your hands walking to that decrepit stadium.
And that's the truth. My ex wifes daughter went to Colorado and the year they played Ga Tech for a NC she and her boyfriend had tickets and stayed with us for a few days before driving down there. I had a long talk with her b/f and warned him of the dangers down there and I let him borrow an equalizer.
President Shalalala la la
was on her hands and knees kissing Shapiro's white rosey cheeks after he donated 50,000 to the school...of course he went to prison for his ponzi scheme aferwards. He was allowed locker room access and had parties for the best players and $$ flowed. What you don't know probably Peter is that back in the 1970s Miamuh almost shut their sports program down because of money woes and the Dolphins in town. The old Orange Bowl was situated by a slum area and you took your life in your hands walking to that decrepit stadium.
And that's the truth. My ex wifes daughter went to Colorado and the year they played Ga Tech for a NC she and her boyfriend had tickets and stayed with us for a few days before driving down there. I had a long talk with her b/f and warned him of the dangers down there and I let him borrow an equalizer.
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