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Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:54 am to
No doubt about WM won with UM recruits. He recruited an elite defense. Instead of just fixing offense the New HC will have to fix the depth and talent level on both sides of the ball Mac leaves behind.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:29 am to
Lol

Mac is still fixing the lack of depth Champ left behind. Our Oline next season will be night and day from what WM left us with.
Young guys on defense will have to step up for the new DC whoever it is. I hope Shannon is retained either way
As for next season, It all falls on the QB. I read Franks made great improvement and was close to starting
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:33 am to
Meyer won with Zook's recruits. We could go on and on. But I would say that Muschamp's defense has helped Mac...but Boom couldnt get an offensive coordinator til it was too late.

Yes, Spurrier left UF in large part due to UF "fans" being spoiled by success and he got tired if a game was lost and the fanbase bitched...not at him directly...since he was untouchable...but usually the DCs got the brunt of it.

I do know Spurrier was old school and it burnt his shorts to see fans that didnt understand or appreciate the history at UF and all the suffering we had to endure from AU & UGA to name the real rivals back then.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 12:05 pm to
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New HC will have to fix the depth and talent level on both sides of the ball Mac leaves behind.


You're an absolute, complete, total idiot.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 1:42 pm to
Didn't we hear that LDR was better than Grier? I gotta see it to believe it at this point. Practice is just practice.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 1:43 pm to
Offensive depth is fine except for QB, but our tune may be different on that front this same time next year if they play well.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 1:54 pm to
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Offensive depth is fine except for QB, but our tune may be different on that front this same time next year if they play well.


Next year QB depth will be fine. It is the quality of the starter that everyone is worried about.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 1:55 pm to
I never heard LDR was better than Grier. We just assumed he'd be able to execute the offense with a yr under his belt
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:13 pm to
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I never heard LDR was better than Grier.


I have. UF pushed for him to be immediately eligible.

Also I think Doug Johnson or Shane Matthews (I forget which) mentioned that last year he thought Luke was better than Grier when he was watching them. Clearly not from a talent aspect but knowing were to go with the ball and how to run the offense.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:27 pm to
Yeah, we heard all off season from "those in the know", to allay our fears, that LDR was thought to have been better than Grier and that the only reason he wasn't starting was because of transfer rules. Never more talented, but better with decision making and running the offense.

LOL at that one.



Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 3:18 pm to
LDR was awful after the injury, but let's not forget prior to the injury he played fairly well. Threw for over 300 yards against a Kentucky team that turned out to not be so terribly bad. I think it was clear that the best part of his game was mental and his knowledge of the system and ability to be accurate despite not having elite arm strength. The mental part of his game was hurt greatly after his knee injury, then he hurt his shoulder and was never able to really get back on track. He started seeing ghosts in the pocket and clearly had to escapablility. The mental advantage he had on Appleby was out the window and that's why Appleby ended up performing better than LDR probably would have. Oh well, he probably never takes another snap as the Gators starting quarterback so I'm not too worried about what people said about him last year. It's time to move forward and trust Mac's ability to develop a couple of young quarterbacks like Franks and Trask.

Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 3:54 pm to
LDR had one good game against UK. That was it. Uks defense is trash. That's not something to brag about. What QB has Mac ever developed that didn't already show talent?
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:07 pm to
I wouldnt be too sure that LDR isnt starting against Michigan next year....everyone has piled on LDR because of a few bad games he had. The injury problem doesnt gain sympathy from rabid Gator fans who are an impatient sort to be kind.

What I foresee is the possibility of LDR starting the first couple of games and having Franks inserted for some snaps. Speaking of being impatient...Gator fans are clueless about how difficult it is playing QB for the first time in big time game like Michigan or SEC game.

A redshirt frosh still needs game time snaps. Grier was a r/s frosh and he had some bumps in the first few games, but he didnt have the luxury of having an experienced QB with knowledge of the game like Franks will have, Treon doesnt count and if you recall...it was Treon and Grier battling it out for starting in 2015.

Not going to say 100% LDR starts but it wouldnt surprise me either for the first few games. We want Franks to succeed and have confidence. I like Franks and his arm strength....but he definitely gets overhyped and you need to just watch his performance in the AA high school game and our spring game. The adrenaline gets too pumped and he makes miscues trying too hard. Like any endeavor, its easier when you are relaxed and confident.
Posted by HinesvilleThrill
Skidaway Island
Member since Sep 2012
3475 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:36 pm to
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Your actions give the Gators a black eye No...I think you give the Gators a black eye.


Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:37 pm to
I asked you not to go full idiot. You just did with that dumb question

You bitch because we didnt land a 5 star QB then ask what QB has Mac developed that didnt already have talent. Don't all good QBs have talent?



Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:37 pm to
Dbl



This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 4:38 pm
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:51 pm to
He hasn't really had a chance to develop anyone at UF yet, has he?
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12512 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:42 pm to
You guys are embarrassing. We are not talking about Arkansas we are talking about UF. We should have top 10 classes. What is the average recruiting ranking for the recent national champions and SEC champions?

Do any of you guys that don't believe in recruiting ranking actually think Washington will beat Bama ?
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:43 pm to
He had one good game in three opportunities when healthy. And two of those games were in storms. And the North Texas game he didn't play great but we still won like 35-0.

TJ, will you ever be able to comprehend that development, much like depth, doesn't happen at the snap of your fingers? Jesus Christ man. You have no idea what Grier looked like before Mac got here. You also have no idea what Franks or Trask will look like next year. The way one of those guys progress next year will give us an idea of how Mac develops quarterbacks. Franks is Mac's first test of quarterback development. The tools are there and his progression will determine how good or bad we are next season. The talent is around him. The offensive line is set with quality depth and starting to mesh nicely, the talent at wide receiver is as good as it's been in 7 years, the running backs have proven they are some quality SEC backs, so now it's time for a quarterback to come in and really break through and make this offense explosive again.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:03 pm to
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atlgator


Atl....you are trying to reach a brick wall and its no use. TJ NEVER says anything good about the Gators....nothing is positive. After the LSU game he slid back under his rock and was quiet for a week.

tjv...I wanna be civil but Ive been known to have an acid tongue....but I assume you are rather young...and nothing wrong with that...but I can tell you tell that our staff has developed who they have recruited quite well. The NFL is full of 3*s my scaley friend and the staff at UF is behind developing relationships because of the amount of time they've been at UF.

Football is a funny game tjv and I can recount MANY games where UF was loaded with 4 & 5 * talent and got beaten by teams that didnt have nearly as much talent as we did. That story goes for every major school. Do I wanna see us get the top recruits? Sure. But I dont want us to allow recruits on our team at just any cost.

Its already been posted...but we had a lot of All SEC frosh named to the All Frosh team and two were named to the All American Frosh team....let that sink in please. Our staff has done something right. And I firmly believe that the future is bright and we are going to turn the corner in 2017 on offense especially.
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