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Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:17 am to TJGator1215
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:17 am to TJGator1215
oh by the way...on another board one of the posters has already sent copies of this "shitty bias" letter purported to be hatched by a Gator to our AD. If the person who wrote that crap is a Gator...then Im fricking Napolean.
Funny TJ how you want confirmation by link of my reply to you regarding Chip Kelly...did YOU research this damn letter that you posted? Who the hell is the author? I mean, its pretty deflamatory dont you think? It isnt hard to guess who the QB is...not many 6'6" sophs out there and that alone will name the hs coach and he will get his ears blistered.
This letter will be addressed and I think a hs coach will have to explain things and could lose his job perhaps.
Oh and since this is a free site for our rivals to come and go, you knew this is going to be used against us..some fricking Gator.
Funny TJ how you want confirmation by link of my reply to you regarding Chip Kelly...did YOU research this damn letter that you posted? Who the hell is the author? I mean, its pretty deflamatory dont you think? It isnt hard to guess who the QB is...not many 6'6" sophs out there and that alone will name the hs coach and he will get his ears blistered.
This letter will be addressed and I think a hs coach will have to explain things and could lose his job perhaps.
Oh and since this is a free site for our rivals to come and go, you knew this is going to be used against us..some fricking Gator.
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Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:58 am to reel_gator8
Chip Kelly is a pipe dream, I gave up on that awhile ago. But in the same breath ppl who say Mac cant recruit, say they want a guy who said he HATES recruiting. 
Posted on 12/18/16 at 10:37 am to reel_gator8
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How bout LSU? On paper they have out recruited a lot of the SEC...really about 13 teams including the Gators...so why didnt they curb stomp us?
The point is moot until you thoroughly debunk the 1000s of excuses LSU fans make. A word of caution though: you'll have to buy some racing slicks and reset your suspension because they will take you on a never ending circular argument to nowhere.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:40 am to reel_gator8
Andrew Spivey at GC confirmed similar stories along with other people who state that IMG recruits don't like Mac.
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Even sunshine pumping GatorCountry is say these stories have credibility and the QB in question is morgan Mitchell. Reel why should the coach be fired he was giving a review of their experience. Their experience apparently wasn't good. It's no different than any other industry. It's not the kids job or the HS coach's job to make their visit enjoyable. It's Mac's and this staff's job and they're paid great to do it. In any other industry Mac and Co are fired immediately for incompetence like JCPenney did with Ron Johnson who's policies declined company shares by 51%. He was Canned with a quickness.
Just read this:
Ron Johnson
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Sadly AS has confirmed some of the rumblings to real
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Even sunshine pumping GatorCountry is say these stories have credibility and the QB in question is morgan Mitchell. Reel why should the coach be fired he was giving a review of their experience. Their experience apparently wasn't good. It's no different than any other industry. It's not the kids job or the HS coach's job to make their visit enjoyable. It's Mac's and this staff's job and they're paid great to do it. In any other industry Mac and Co are fired immediately for incompetence like JCPenney did with Ron Johnson who's policies declined company shares by 51%. He was Canned with a quickness.
Just read this:
Ron Johnson
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:43 am to UF
I know some people will think the anecdote posted by TJ is crap, but let's try to extract the main points that are most likely true:
Bama and UF both have this player on the radar but Bama seems to have more information about him.
Bama appears to have established rapport with this player while UF appears to have established a meeting.
Facilities were not relevant to the experience.
Rapport is very important. If it's true that this player sat in Saban's office for a while and talked, then that's worth more than anything else at this point in time for a player that's only going to be a junior in high school.
My main point is that, if we can believe this story to be representative if not outright true, then it's time to worry less about facilities and more about helping Mac with a larger staff and more organization to establish and build rapport with the top recruits.
The counter to this is a worry about Mac's organization of the staff and football operations overall.
Bama and UF both have this player on the radar but Bama seems to have more information about him.
Bama appears to have established rapport with this player while UF appears to have established a meeting.
Facilities were not relevant to the experience.
Rapport is very important. If it's true that this player sat in Saban's office for a while and talked, then that's worth more than anything else at this point in time for a player that's only going to be a junior in high school.
My main point is that, if we can believe this story to be representative if not outright true, then it's time to worry less about facilities and more about helping Mac with a larger staff and more organization to establish and build rapport with the top recruits.
The counter to this is a worry about Mac's organization of the staff and football operations overall.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:44 am to TJGator1215
Sadly I saw that as well.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:00 pm to UF
Just look at the kids that say they can't wait to get to UF for a visit. They visit then commit elsewhere after. Mac has zero clue Imo how to manage a program and shows from his PCs, staff hiring, recruiting on down to getting the team ready to play.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:26 pm to TJGator1215
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Just look at the kids that say they can't wait to get to UF for a visit. They visit then commit elsewhere
Name em. I dont remember a recruit all hyped up to go to UF and came away from his visit and going somewhere else.
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staff hiring,
Whos terrible? Our DC, one of Macs first hires just got a HC gig.
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down to getting the team ready to play.
2 East titles. 18-7 in reg season, Champ was 10-13 his last 2 seasons.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:19 pm to TJGator1215
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TJGator1215
OMG if its on a message board like GC it MUST be true!!!
The coaches cant defend themselves and you naturally accept this peice of info as gospel...who is the "friend"..no confirmation...and yet you want links..well well well. That is my problem with this TJ if you take your head out of your azz long enough.
Just so you know...Ive emailed Wes Allen the hs coach and asked for some info. His voice mailbox is full and yes, he is in trouble for providing something to his "friend" who we dont know. Im sure coach is regretting ever stirring the pot now. His student athlete Morgan Mitchell is who I feel sorry for...he is being hounded Im sure.
And if this story proves to be greatly exaggerated...are you going to say anything TJ?
When you read this "story" there a few things that jump out at you...he had to take a physical...REALLY? ANY high school or college athlete participating in drills on UF property under the eyes of coaches HAVE to show a physical. What if he did something and collapses in a comma? What is the AD at UF going to tell the parents?
They would own the athletic dept...so either the kid is loose or his hs coach...did he pay to be at a clinic at Bama? Damn straight he did. Did he have to show a physical? Damn right. Saban spent two hrs one on one with this high school soph? Are you kidding me? Do a little research and you will find that the kid isnt even STARTING for his high school yet. I have the feeling the ball dropped by not just by UF...this kids coach must be loose as a goose?
I know its better in your fricking world to blame UF for all this crap TJ...but thats you.
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Posted on 12/18/16 at 7:50 pm to dbuchanon
WM went 18-7 and went to the Sugar bowl. Mac's recruiting will lead to the same ending as 2013-2014 for WM.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:23 pm to dbuchanon
Terrible hires Callahan, Rumph, Collins, Summers and Nuss. Collins got that gig off the backs of WM recruits. He'll be fired in 3 years at Temple. He's an average coach and a subpar recruiter. He couldn't recruit here.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:25 pm to reel_gator8
Wow. Emailing a HS coach and calling him? I'd file a restraining order against. Your actions give the Gators a black eye
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:45 pm to dbuchanon
Why do people keep comparing muschamp year 3 and 4 to Mac year 1 and 2?
muschamp went 18-7 in 2 seasons just like Mac and let's be honest... if Mac was coaching the 2011 and 2012 schedule UF wouldn't have won the sec east.
Those were two brutal years of schedules for wm.
muschamp went 18-7 in 2 seasons just like Mac and let's be honest... if Mac was coaching the 2011 and 2012 schedule UF wouldn't have won the sec east.
Those were two brutal years of schedules for wm.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 9:20 pm to slayerxing
Uh
Maybe because its pretty much the same team? Except for the guys Mac added.
Lol keep telling yourself that Mac wouldve lost with the team Champ walked into.. How many good QBs did Champ ruin? That left and flourished on different teams?
Maybe because its pretty much the same team? Except for the guys Mac added.
Lol keep telling yourself that Mac wouldve lost with the team Champ walked into.. How many good QBs did Champ ruin? That left and flourished on different teams?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 9:43 pm to dbuchanon
I think Muschamp sucked, but let's not use faulty revisionist history here...
Muschamp walked into a talented, but messed up team in 2011 that had no good QB on the roster. John Brantley was the best QB on the roster, but had already proven to be an average at best QB.
The schedule those two years was brutal. Only an elite coach was going to walk into UF in 2011 and 2012 and win the SEC east.
The 2012 schedule was one of the toughest in program history. 5 p5 regular season teams won 10 or more games, and UF beat 4 of them. It's amazing UF even came close and in 2011 South Carolina and Georgia just had much easier SEC west draws.
Muschamp walked into a talented, but messed up team in 2011 that had no good QB on the roster. John Brantley was the best QB on the roster, but had already proven to be an average at best QB.
The schedule those two years was brutal. Only an elite coach was going to walk into UF in 2011 and 2012 and win the SEC east.
The 2012 schedule was one of the toughest in program history. 5 p5 regular season teams won 10 or more games, and UF beat 4 of them. It's amazing UF even came close and in 2011 South Carolina and Georgia just had much easier SEC west draws.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 10:06 pm to slayerxing
I hated the Champ hire, but i hoped i was wrong and supported the team. I didnt come here and complain after every game.
Mac wasnt my first choice either but hes the Coach. I support the team and hope they do well.
If the team flops and Mac has a meltdown and is fired then so be it. But im not gonna hope they fail so i can scream i was right.
The team is not gonna get better by changing HCs every three years. We need stability
Mac wasnt my first choice either but hes the Coach. I support the team and hope they do well.
If the team flops and Mac has a meltdown and is fired then so be it. But im not gonna hope they fail so i can scream i was right.
The team is not gonna get better by changing HCs every three years. We need stability
Posted on 12/18/16 at 10:08 pm to dbuchanon
I agree on the stability thing. I disagree about the bitching tho, this is the perfect place to do it.
Gotta show a positive face at the office tho lol
Gotta show a positive face at the office tho lol
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:21 pm to TJGator1215
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TJGator1215
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Wow. Emailing a HS coach and calling him? I'd file a restraining order against. Your actions give the Gators a black eye
No...I think you give the Gators a black eye. I didnt get to even leave a message for coach allen...his mailbox was full and you dont know the content of my email...do you? Police would laugh at your arse if you showed them my email.
Here is another version by someone who knows something and posted on another board:
I don't doubt this is probably, maybe, somewhat true. But it's probably 90% bullshite. I imagine a kid can slip through the cracks - which seems like Collins' fault here - but this would represent a complete and total breakdown of the system. It means Collins, on his own, invited a guy to camp without telling Drew Hughes or John Herron, the guys whose job it is to handle recruits on campus. It means Collins didn't tell ANYONE the kid was there AFTER he realized his mistake. (If the kid is good enough to merit the attention this story presupposes). It means Mac KNEW WHO HE WAS (which would only be the case if people below him knew and told him) and got pushed around by his OC (who is also the convenient villain for Florida fans). It would be beyond bush league.
Also, this would have taken place between this kids freshman and sophomore seasons.
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There was no $40 camp that year. QB camp was $175. And the camps all appear to have registration at the IPF - WHERE CAMP IS HELD. And there is no "Megan" listed anywhere on the athletics department site.
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While I'm guessing he wasn't treated like shite at Bama I doubt he spent 4 hours alone with Saban and Kiffin. This story seems like a shite load of exaggeration and has probably changed from board to board.
However...
What I think happened: here is the news article people are sighting to "support" the story.
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[b]Odd how the post tracks the story really well. Perhaps the post was made up based on the article. Oh and there is no mention of spending hours alone with Saban. Whoops. Just the most important part of the story... BUT it does say he was going to UF mini-camp.
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This guys freshman stats by the way. ONE completed pass... HOW IN THE WORLD DID THEY NOT KNOW WHO HE WAS !!!!!!!!!!!? And he only completed 16 this year. His team went 4-6.
I'd also remind everyone that this would have been summer 2016, the FIRST SUMMER Mac would have been there. That is a long time ago in football years. And guess what, a year later and still no Bama offer.??
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:23 am to reel_gator8
LOL at the Mac winning with Muschamp recruits comments.
Muschamp won with Urban's recruits. That is clear as day. He also had Dan Quinn calling plays on defense and DJ Durkin to run the special teams. That is why UF had the Sugar Bowl bid.
This year UF had a lot of injuries. It was up there with the 2013 season. 2013 UF shite the bed because there was no one behind Urban's recruits. So 2016, Muschamp recruits get hurt, who steps up. Mac recruits.
There are a lot of UF fans that want to fire Mac. I am guessing these are the same fans that helped run off Spurrier.
Muschamp won with Urban's recruits. That is clear as day. He also had Dan Quinn calling plays on defense and DJ Durkin to run the special teams. That is why UF had the Sugar Bowl bid.
This year UF had a lot of injuries. It was up there with the 2013 season. 2013 UF shite the bed because there was no one behind Urban's recruits. So 2016, Muschamp recruits get hurt, who steps up. Mac recruits.
There are a lot of UF fans that want to fire Mac. I am guessing these are the same fans that helped run off Spurrier.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:40 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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Dan Quinn calling plays on defense and DJ Durkin to run the special teams.
Cannot be overemphasized.
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