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Big shake up in coaching staff
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:42 pm
Orlando Sentinel is reporting Muschamp is staying but OC and O-Line coach are gone.
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Posted on 11/24/13 at 2:25 pm to GatorNation11
I can support this. This hire will be the biggest of WM's coaching tenure. Better get it right, or he will follow those offensive coaches out the door after next year.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 2:41 pm to GatorNation11
Meh. I honestly don't get the point and think we'll just end up firing him mid-season like USC did with Kiffin, but I'll live, I guess.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 2:45 pm to GatorNation11
My observations which aren't worth a whole lot, but here they are:
I've always thought that Muschamp is capable of winning a MNC, but that doesn't me he ever will. He's got the drive and the personality to do so in a lot of respects.
Now this is a complete guess on my part, but I suspect that he has spent years saying, "When I get a program, I know exactly what needs to be done to win, which is X,Y, and Z."
Any of us who have dreamed of working our way up have had similar thoughts - I know what other bosses do wrong, and I know exactly what I will do differently. Well, Champ got to be boss, and even including last season really, part of his vision has never really worked as it should. Last year, a mediocre offense that at times looked pretty good was bailed out by a great defense. This year, well, GSU.
It's not rare to get to be the boss and realize that a lot of what you thought was wrong about what your former bosses did actually had a point that wasn't always obvious when you were under them. When you realize this, you either modify your idealism based on the realities of the situation, or you get carried away with your ego, double-down, and sink your ship. I expect this process is not unusual among first time HCs either. However, most of them learn these lessons where less is at stake as reality rips asunder your best laid plans. At a program like Florida, tripping through that growth is going to be obvious, and huge because the stage is so much bigger and the price of mistakes and the critics waiting to mock you are so much greater.
Now should a program like UF have used its program as on the job training? That is a valid question. Perhaps Foley felt that so much needed to be fixed that for awhile it was going to look bad no matter who was here. I don't know, and I don't know that it was the right move. However, I do know that it is what has happened, and this year has been humiliating. At this point though, WM has gotten the training nonetheless and is at that crossroads.
Do I still think he is capable of being a winner? Absolutely! But my opinion is that to become one, he will have to let go of some things that he came into Florida holding as absolutes for his vision of a program. It's clear that he sees the rot, but is he willing to say that parts of his vision don't work, at least not for this team at this time? He's not too stupid to see what is wrong, but is he too stubborn to alter his vision of what a team should be and take the wins even if the character of that team isn't the one he wanted to build?
I think that will ultimately make or break him here. I still have faith that he CAN do well; my only concern is that he won't get out of his own way.
I've always thought that Muschamp is capable of winning a MNC, but that doesn't me he ever will. He's got the drive and the personality to do so in a lot of respects.
Now this is a complete guess on my part, but I suspect that he has spent years saying, "When I get a program, I know exactly what needs to be done to win, which is X,Y, and Z."
Any of us who have dreamed of working our way up have had similar thoughts - I know what other bosses do wrong, and I know exactly what I will do differently. Well, Champ got to be boss, and even including last season really, part of his vision has never really worked as it should. Last year, a mediocre offense that at times looked pretty good was bailed out by a great defense. This year, well, GSU.
It's not rare to get to be the boss and realize that a lot of what you thought was wrong about what your former bosses did actually had a point that wasn't always obvious when you were under them. When you realize this, you either modify your idealism based on the realities of the situation, or you get carried away with your ego, double-down, and sink your ship. I expect this process is not unusual among first time HCs either. However, most of them learn these lessons where less is at stake as reality rips asunder your best laid plans. At a program like Florida, tripping through that growth is going to be obvious, and huge because the stage is so much bigger and the price of mistakes and the critics waiting to mock you are so much greater.
Now should a program like UF have used its program as on the job training? That is a valid question. Perhaps Foley felt that so much needed to be fixed that for awhile it was going to look bad no matter who was here. I don't know, and I don't know that it was the right move. However, I do know that it is what has happened, and this year has been humiliating. At this point though, WM has gotten the training nonetheless and is at that crossroads.
Do I still think he is capable of being a winner? Absolutely! But my opinion is that to become one, he will have to let go of some things that he came into Florida holding as absolutes for his vision of a program. It's clear that he sees the rot, but is he willing to say that parts of his vision don't work, at least not for this team at this time? He's not too stupid to see what is wrong, but is he too stubborn to alter his vision of what a team should be and take the wins even if the character of that team isn't the one he wanted to build?
I think that will ultimately make or break him here. I still have faith that he CAN do well; my only concern is that he won't get out of his own way.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 9:15 pm to LuciusSulla
Some of you probably wont believe that I would post something contrary to 110% support of everything he has done.
What I have observed: Boom is very very knowledgable about defenses and formations and every technical aspect of college football you can imagine. He knows what works and what other teams try to do to on offense to achieve success. I call it the nerdy process and not because I think he should wear pocket protector...but he needs to let staff help him more and supervise less hands on.
In other words....do not influence offense in any way....other than to converse before spring practice with OC and have complete agreement of what the goals are and what needs to be done with individual players development. I know that this is already done to a large extent regarding goals and player development...but does the OC have clear confidence to have HIS offense strategy implemented? None of us know if Pease is slightly handicapped by Boom. I fully understand the theories surrounding field position/ball control offenses and it does work...at times. Will the OC and Boom both be in agreement about when to abandon a conservative approach? I love power run game...but damn it...3rd qt and 10 tens points down I am ready to start heaving the ball somemore.
The ONE thing that we never seem to do on offense (except USC game btw)is use the "jailbreak screen" play to prevent defenses from killing our qbs. This is a timing play and we did pull it off well against USC twice. This screen play is in the middle of the line and rb/lb has to fake block and have OL ready to go downfield when he catches pass...when performed correctly it is a thing of beauty to see four OL escort receiver downfield.
Offenses are harder to develop than defenses as a rule...whether high school, college or pros. The OL has been actually not that bad for the most part...except for LSU and Mizzou games. All we need is a functional offense that can score points and keep the other teams offense on the bench..we don't need 400 yd passers (a sign you are losing the game)to win games. It has to be much improved over this year or I will need more alcohol to become unconscious.
What I have observed: Boom is very very knowledgable about defenses and formations and every technical aspect of college football you can imagine. He knows what works and what other teams try to do to on offense to achieve success. I call it the nerdy process and not because I think he should wear pocket protector...but he needs to let staff help him more and supervise less hands on.
In other words....do not influence offense in any way....other than to converse before spring practice with OC and have complete agreement of what the goals are and what needs to be done with individual players development. I know that this is already done to a large extent regarding goals and player development...but does the OC have clear confidence to have HIS offense strategy implemented? None of us know if Pease is slightly handicapped by Boom. I fully understand the theories surrounding field position/ball control offenses and it does work...at times. Will the OC and Boom both be in agreement about when to abandon a conservative approach? I love power run game...but damn it...3rd qt and 10 tens points down I am ready to start heaving the ball somemore.
The ONE thing that we never seem to do on offense (except USC game btw)is use the "jailbreak screen" play to prevent defenses from killing our qbs. This is a timing play and we did pull it off well against USC twice. This screen play is in the middle of the line and rb/lb has to fake block and have OL ready to go downfield when he catches pass...when performed correctly it is a thing of beauty to see four OL escort receiver downfield.
Offenses are harder to develop than defenses as a rule...whether high school, college or pros. The OL has been actually not that bad for the most part...except for LSU and Mizzou games. All we need is a functional offense that can score points and keep the other teams offense on the bench..we don't need 400 yd passers (a sign you are losing the game)to win games. It has to be much improved over this year or I will need more alcohol to become unconscious.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 11:01 pm to gatordmb89
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I can support this. This hire will be the biggest of WM's coaching tenure. Better get it right, or he will follow those offensive coaches out the door after next year.
I remember people saying that Pease was going to make or break him. Moving that goal post (not saying you did).
It's also amusing to me that this is supposed to be some type of big deal. It should have been obvious there should be a big shake up on our offensive staff after we lost to Vandy. I really hope the lost to GSU wasn't what prompted the decision to fire Pease and Davis.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 12:10 am to BasedGator
I don't think it was. I have been led to believe by a few people I know that moves were made to start the hiring process immediately after Vandy.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 12:14 am to BasedGator
I said on here the night of the Vandy game that the next day would be an interesting day for UF football. I said that because that night is when I started hearing from "inside" that there was going to be changes with the OC. It has been a long time coming.
Now, whether or not Muschamp makes the right choice is yet to be seen.
Now, whether or not Muschamp makes the right choice is yet to be seen.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 5:36 am to gatordmb89
WHO in the world is going to want to come here with such an unstable situation? Certainly not a big splash hire at OC. Can an unknown come here and not be rocked by media/fans/alumni?
Maybe its a case of no matter who we hire they would accepted as life savers after the past three years? It wont take much to turn this battleship around...in 2014 we could have one of the top three teams in the SEC if we avoid the injury bug at OL.
To my way of thinking OL is the key to the whole season. Teams are gonna stack the line and force us to throw unless we produce through the air and our OL can get a great push to get room for Taylor and company.
Maybe its a case of no matter who we hire they would accepted as life savers after the past three years? It wont take much to turn this battleship around...in 2014 we could have one of the top three teams in the SEC if we avoid the injury bug at OL.
To my way of thinking OL is the key to the whole season. Teams are gonna stack the line and force us to throw unless we produce through the air and our OL can get a great push to get room for Taylor and company.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 9:24 am to reel_gator8
First off, my guess is we will put out a 2 yr deal. So if WM is gone, and the new HC doesn't want to retain him, he still gets paid.
It will need to be someone that is young or someone that just got fired. Only other scenario would be Kerwin Bell.
It will need to be someone that is young or someone that just got fired. Only other scenario would be Kerwin Bell.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 9:35 am to GatorNation11
HOPE THIS IS RIGHR
Kerwin Bell to the rescue!
Kerwin Bell to the rescue!
Posted on 11/25/13 at 12:40 pm to UFMatt
It would be sad to see an ex gator get bashed by his own....oh...he would be afforded a lot more leeway than an outside hire...but if the offense failed...it'd be Booms fault..could never be Bells of course.
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