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re: 2019 Recruiting Thread: Return of the Mullen. Updated 10/30.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 6:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 2/11/18 at 6:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I wish it were that easy Straws...but a true frosh QB has to be really secure with the ball-numero uno. Its a lot of pressure on a kid just out of high school. So much to learn and natural instincts can only carry you so far.
Franks could be a starter again if and only IF he is taught well and someone hides the panic button from him. If he is indeed working out a lot and gaining bulk....who knows what could happen.
The good news imo is that with Ivey coming back we will have a lot of snap experience on the OL. Those who bemoan the talent level on the OL don't understand how long it can take to develop a lot of kids. Look at 5 * Leatherwood, you didn't him much did you? He is still developing at Bama and should be a good one...but its not done overnight.
I think Fred Johnson has the tools to be really good and just needs his feet to connect with brain faster....he is a huge OL at 6'7" and has started a lot of games. Albeit at RT he couldn't move fast enough...so now he is at RG but really has the build of a tackle. Hopefully he can improve even more with good coaching. Jordan is another one with a lot of starts under his belt at G & C. He just has had a few injuries and has talent enough to play well for us....or at least be quality backup. McCoy at C has not worked well enough for us...but he is another guy with starting experience....he may be too short to play G? But he can provide quality backup. Any time you have backups with starting reps you are ahead of the game. Taylor at RT is a question mark but he will be a true jr this year....so he may have turned the corner in development. Slaton? Forsythe? Andrew Mike? Bret Heggie? Harkless? Riles O or D? I'm sure I listed someone who transferred two yrs ago or is in jail
Please feel free to correct me.
I also think we can be dominate in the run game and have a loaded backfield...that helps any QB.
Franks could be a starter again if and only IF he is taught well and someone hides the panic button from him. If he is indeed working out a lot and gaining bulk....who knows what could happen.
The good news imo is that with Ivey coming back we will have a lot of snap experience on the OL. Those who bemoan the talent level on the OL don't understand how long it can take to develop a lot of kids. Look at 5 * Leatherwood, you didn't him much did you? He is still developing at Bama and should be a good one...but its not done overnight.
I think Fred Johnson has the tools to be really good and just needs his feet to connect with brain faster....he is a huge OL at 6'7" and has started a lot of games. Albeit at RT he couldn't move fast enough...so now he is at RG but really has the build of a tackle. Hopefully he can improve even more with good coaching. Jordan is another one with a lot of starts under his belt at G & C. He just has had a few injuries and has talent enough to play well for us....or at least be quality backup. McCoy at C has not worked well enough for us...but he is another guy with starting experience....he may be too short to play G? But he can provide quality backup. Any time you have backups with starting reps you are ahead of the game. Taylor at RT is a question mark but he will be a true jr this year....so he may have turned the corner in development. Slaton? Forsythe? Andrew Mike? Bret Heggie? Harkless? Riles O or D? I'm sure I listed someone who transferred two yrs ago or is in jail
Please feel free to correct me. I also think we can be dominate in the run game and have a loaded backfield...that helps any QB.
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Posted on 2/11/18 at 7:16 pm to gatordmb89
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WR John Dunmore was wearing UF flip flops after Miami camp.
I believe he's going to visit this month, too. I think he has the potential to be a 5* WR as well.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 7:20 pm to reel_gator8
Not saying it's easy, but when you're surrounded by playmakers life is a lot easier. Fromm had to do little because almost all of his battles were one on one with his WR just coming down with the ball. The thing is: Mullen seems infinitely more concerned with getting top tier WR talent, there's not a scrub among the WR prospects of 2018 and 2019 is looking to be a juggernaut for WRs. Our RBs are already stacked, and really we're going to be asking a lot less out of our QBs.
However...with Franks, his arsenal is too limited. He has no short game at all and still lacks almost every singe fundamental for being a QB there is. Tebow was the same way, but Tebow wasn't a string bean and just his presence in the pocket was like having a 240 pound RB ready to go.
However...with Franks, his arsenal is too limited. He has no short game at all and still lacks almost every singe fundamental for being a QB there is. Tebow was the same way, but Tebow wasn't a string bean and just his presence in the pocket was like having a 240 pound RB ready to go.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 10:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Tebow didn't turn the ball over and that's a plus +++
and he could run through a brick wall.
Of course I understand that Franks was horrible last year and I was the one shouting from the rooftop thinking Del Rio would start. As I was afraid of...Franks was too excitable in the pocket and caused so many sacks by running way too quickly and into trouble. This was his MO in high school and even his first spring game. WHY didn't the coaches see what I saw? You cant deem a r/s frosh ready based only on the friendly confines of practice.
If he has added bulk and muscle and has proper coaching, he could be the starter and Emory gets a few series early on to see how he does. Franks would be on a very short leash. If not Franks then there is r/s Allen? Trask? From practice videos I think Trask has average arm and average accuracy, unless he has really developed. His delivery is slow and he was behind every one of the QBs.
and he could run through a brick wall.
Of course I understand that Franks was horrible last year and I was the one shouting from the rooftop thinking Del Rio would start. As I was afraid of...Franks was too excitable in the pocket and caused so many sacks by running way too quickly and into trouble. This was his MO in high school and even his first spring game. WHY didn't the coaches see what I saw? You cant deem a r/s frosh ready based only on the friendly confines of practice.
If he has added bulk and muscle and has proper coaching, he could be the starter and Emory gets a few series early on to see how he does. Franks would be on a very short leash. If not Franks then there is r/s Allen? Trask? From practice videos I think Trask has average arm and average accuracy, unless he has really developed. His delivery is slow and he was behind every one of the QBs.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 10:54 pm to reel_gator8
Right about Tebow, but with Franks: It's not so much his bodytype as it is the fact that he just has no real skillset. He doesn't have any touch on his passes and even on his deep passes they're mostly just him heaving it and hoping for the best, he doesn't lead receivers.
In 2019 (now back on topic), Jalon Jones is picking up a lot of steam, too. He's small, but I could see him developing into just the right kind of QB we'd need in the years to come.
I don't see a single quarterback on our current roster from McElwain's tenure sticking, to be brutally honest. I've heard good things about Franks regarding training, but I think the only one who might actually have a chance is Trask but only because we haven't actually seen him play in a game. Allen will never be a fit.
In 2019 (now back on topic), Jalon Jones is picking up a lot of steam, too. He's small, but I could see him developing into just the right kind of QB we'd need in the years to come.
I don't see a single quarterback on our current roster from McElwain's tenure sticking, to be brutally honest. I've heard good things about Franks regarding training, but I think the only one who might actually have a chance is Trask but only because we haven't actually seen him play in a game. Allen will never be a fit.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:20 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I honestly think it’s either franks or jones position to lose. Franks may be crap, but he’s got the in-game experience. With the crappy year finally over, he can gain his confidence back in the offseason and turn out to be pretty decent. If not, Jones all the way.
Allen and Trask should just leave. Both have been here at least a year and trask was the only one to play in a spring game last year. That tells me all I need to know about those 2 guys.
Allen and Trask should just leave. Both have been here at least a year and trask was the only one to play in a spring game last year. That tells me all I need to know about those 2 guys.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:44 am to finchmeister08
frick, I think I'll puke if I have to watch Franks play QB again.
Allen and Trask were hurt last year, so I wouldn't write them off yet.
If Jones can actually throw a football with any reasonable accuracy and confidence, I say just play him and run the ball most of the time.
If this team needs to be good at ANYTHING next year, it's running the ball. Teach the OL how to rediscover their balls, and then just run run run.
Allen and Trask were hurt last year, so I wouldn't write them off yet.
If Jones can actually throw a football with any reasonable accuracy and confidence, I say just play him and run the ball most of the time.
If this team needs to be good at ANYTHING next year, it's running the ball. Teach the OL how to rediscover their balls, and then just run run run.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:00 am to slayerxing
Jake from State Farm is not running any form of a read option.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:04 am to BloodSweat&Beers
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:32 am to slayerxing
Our priority should be to run the ball, obviously, and quick reads from the line that Jones can handle. I mean, if it's 9 guys in the box, we should be able to beat someone one on one.
The only thing I can see with Trask is he's got the type of body to run the power spread right now. He doesn't need any more weight and he's got a cannon for an arm and way more touch than Franks if we're going by HS ball.
If we can establish the run, though, I think Jones can start day one. If we can't, we have to find something even if it means running the LSU jet-sweep bullshite.
Philosophically, I can't justify him playing ever again at Florida. When Jeff Driskel has better numbers than you playing behind one of the absolute worst offensive lines ever it's honestly a wake up call. Of course, Driskel actually had skill, Franks just has a TE body without the necessary strength to break tackles and run.
The only thing I can see with Trask is he's got the type of body to run the power spread right now. He doesn't need any more weight and he's got a cannon for an arm and way more touch than Franks if we're going by HS ball.
If we can establish the run, though, I think Jones can start day one. If we can't, we have to find something even if it means running the LSU jet-sweep bullshite.
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frick, I think I'll puke if I have to watch Franks play QB again.
Philosophically, I can't justify him playing ever again at Florida. When Jeff Driskel has better numbers than you playing behind one of the absolute worst offensive lines ever it's honestly a wake up call. Of course, Driskel actually had skill, Franks just has a TE body without the necessary strength to break tackles and run.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:18 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Well Straws, it will be fun to see the spring game I guess. Come September we get to see what the coaches think...our opinions are not going to carry weight.
But where in the frick did you get the notion that Trask has a cannon for an arm? I sure didn't see it...must have missed it. I did see someone who took way to long to recognize a crossing pattern in practice over and over again. He hesitated too much to figure the lead time to hit the receiver...with two other QBs all throwing crossing patterns. Go figure. Franks had twice the motion speed and release time....its what the coaches were looking at. Too bad there wasn't a real pass rusher in his face to show what would happen in a real game.
There is nothing wrong with Franks arm...brain? Ya.
But where in the frick did you get the notion that Trask has a cannon for an arm? I sure didn't see it...must have missed it. I did see someone who took way to long to recognize a crossing pattern in practice over and over again. He hesitated too much to figure the lead time to hit the receiver...with two other QBs all throwing crossing patterns. Go figure. Franks had twice the motion speed and release time....its what the coaches were looking at. Too bad there wasn't a real pass rusher in his face to show what would happen in a real game.
There is nothing wrong with Franks arm...brain? Ya.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:12 pm to reel_gator8
Watch Trask's film in high school, he's got what it takes. HE could get coached to actually be decent and is already at the target weight.
We might as well teach a Tight End how to be a quarterback, because Franks and he would have just about the same football IQ as each other.
It won't matter, because if they don't start this year, they won't start ever.
We might as well teach a Tight End how to be a quarterback, because Franks and he would have just about the same football IQ as each other.
It won't matter, because if they don't start this year, they won't start ever.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 1:22 am to slayerxing
Oline run blocked well last year. Was pass blocking they were ehhh...They also had a QB who didn't know how to adjust the line and one who held the ball forever.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:33 am to Gatorbait2008
The Oline was made to look bad by a QB who ran for the hills at slightless hint of a pass rush. He was skinny and way way too excitable. Hide the panic button from him.
IF...and only IF Franks has put on at least 20 lbs of bulk with muscle tone...then he could be ok. Talk about cannons well he has one.
We have to remember that new staff will reshuffle the deck and see whats on the roster without tainted glasses. Of course last years film will be studied and a good coach can spot mistakes that can be easy to fix and some that will be difficult.
I'm certainly not the prez of the Franks fan club, but I see our roster and that's why he may be an option. DM does not want to get the fans in a tether early on. Five HCs since 2002 is all we need to know
Zook, Urban, Muschamp, Mac & now Mullen,
Did I miss anyone?
Five HCs in less than 16 yrs.
If we need a coach after 3 yrs we will have to look under the classifieds at unemployed coaches monthly. We would be poison.
Think about that before pushing a true frosh QB into SEC play too soon.
IF...and only IF Franks has put on at least 20 lbs of bulk with muscle tone...then he could be ok. Talk about cannons well he has one.
We have to remember that new staff will reshuffle the deck and see whats on the roster without tainted glasses. Of course last years film will be studied and a good coach can spot mistakes that can be easy to fix and some that will be difficult.
I'm certainly not the prez of the Franks fan club, but I see our roster and that's why he may be an option. DM does not want to get the fans in a tether early on. Five HCs since 2002 is all we need to know
Zook, Urban, Muschamp, Mac & now Mullen,
Did I miss anyone?
Five HCs in less than 16 yrs. If we need a coach after 3 yrs we will have to look under the classifieds at unemployed coaches monthly. We would be poison.
Think about that before pushing a true frosh QB into SEC play too soon.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:55 am to reel_gator8
Jalon Jones will likely be one of the two QBs in this class
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:41 am to atlgator
Dunmore will be attending Junior Day two weeks from now at Florida. I think we're in a very good place to land him and I also think he'll be getting to 5* sooner than later.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Slayer just a hint..you said the same thing last year about Del Rio and how you'd puke.
Guess what? Too bad you didn't puke. We might have won a couple more games if not for the glass jaw.
Guess what? Too bad you didn't puke. We might have won a couple more games if not for the glass jaw.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:27 pm to reel_gator8
Posted on 2/13/18 at 7:40 pm to reel_gator8
Del Rio was garbage as well. Don't talk to me like Del Rio was so great.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:39 pm to slayerxing
Never said LDR was great....those were never uttered by me. What I am saying is that Del Rio would have been better than a clueless Franks. Don't be so so damn sensitive Slayer
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