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Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:55 pm to Carolina_Girl
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:55 pm to Carolina_Girl
You know we didn't have a head coach for our first 4 seasons of football. Maybe thats' our plan.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:04 pm to Carolina_Girl
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Carolina_Girl
Good God, get a grip.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:44 pm to Carolina_Girl
McIlwain is a projected top 10 MLB draft pick next year. He's either going to the MLB or the Gamecocks.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:56 pm to Bluefin
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McIlwain is a projected top 10 MLB draft pick next year. He's either going to the MLB or the Gamecocks.
This. if he does go MLB and is drafted in the 1st Rd, I wouldn't blame him a bit, those are mid 7 figure signing bonuses and getting near 8 figure $ the first year.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:17 pm to CockInYourEar
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Also, remember an agreement isn't final until both parties signed. It was reported yesterday that an agreement had been made in principle. If that were the case, and TH wanted more $ still, HYPOTHETICALLY he could easily let it leak that he was not interested in the job anymore to get more $ or guarantees (like the $10M for the Football Staff,) in order to put pressure on the AD to give him what he wants.
Herman has come out publicly and said he's not looking at contracts right now, but that is what he has to say. What everyone is forgetting is that he STILL has NOT signed that contract offered to him by Houston. IMO, I don't believe the yahoo report, I don't believe Herman pulled himself out of consideration. I think this is all just smoke an mirrors. I could absolutely be wrong, but this is exactly the type of misdirection I expected in a big time college football hiring process.
SCRooster, do you recall if Lou Holtz removed himself from consideration before he was hired at SC?
The guy below I am going to quote wrote exactly what I've been thinking, ever since PK's article about Herman came out and then was followed so quickly by yahoo/Feldman's retort of Herman pulling his name. The guy below just analyzed it better than in my thoughts above.
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Ok humor me for a moment and let’s make some assumptions. I know what they say about assumptions and I know the usual suspects are going to hammer this with their negative responses, but who cares.
So, let's assume PK was correct and Tanner and Herman had reached a deal last week. Tanner knows that Herman is trying to win a conference championship, so being the old school man of integrity he is, he gives Herman his word that he will do everything he can to keep it quiet on his end. Somehow, PK catches wind through one of his contacts, probably a loose lipped BOT member, that an agreement in principle has been made. Herman hears the report and is upset, but not nearly as upset as Tanner is. Tanner is livid and embarrassed that his word was not kept. So, he tells Herman that he will do everything he can to make this right and have the distraction taken off of him until the conference championship is played.
Now, Tanner is in damage control mode. Word is put out that Herman is not as interested as once thought and everything goes quiet on our end. It is never verified by TBS staff members that Herman has officially taken his name out of the search, however national guys are reporting that he has. Tanner completely shuts off all contacts, even his most trusted including our TBS guys.
Things are moving along and Tanner is just trying to buy some time until after the championship game. He still has his number 2 in Smart in play, and is supposedly waiting on him until after their Championship game. Then Georgia comes along and throws a wrench into the plan and fires Richt. So, Tanner is forced to make a move on Kirby since he is our 2nd choice and it is known that Georgia is probably going to hire Smart. However, if there is an agreement in place with Herman how can Tanner make an offer to Smart? Easy, it has been reported that Smart and Herman’s agents are in the same firm. So it’s an agents dream. Kirby’s agent gets to play Georgia for more money, while Tanner can quell the Herman talks even more. As a bonus, it’s more air time for the USC program and will build up the victory even more for USC when they sign Herman.
Now Smart is somewhat out of play, what does Tanner do? He starts to rebuild the smokescreen. Enter Muschamp. Will Muschamp has a reputation to rebuild from his rough HC beginning at Florida, and whether he is hired or not his name connected to the search as a legitimate candidate is a good thing. So, Tanner needs an excuse to wait on hiring Muschamp. He leaks numerous names including our own Elliot who we all know has no chance of being hired as the head coach at USC. Heck, he couldn’t even beat the Citadel. There is no way that is going to fly with the powers that be at USC. It is going to take several days to vet the new candidates, which pushes the search into next week, the week that Houston has completed their regular season.
OK, what about these signs that Herman isn’t interested in the USC job? All of the signs easily point to information being strategically leaked to stop the Herman to USC buzz. Why would Herman have not signed the agreement that is supposedly in place? Waiting on Georgia job? Well the Georgia job has been filled. Waiting on Texas to open? It doesn’t look like Texas is going to open and even if they did it has been reported he would be down the list as a potential candidate.
I’m not claiming to have any inside knowledge, or even sure if I believe Herman is coming here. But the moons are starting to align a bit.
Maybe it's just blind faith in the leadership of Ray Tanner, but I also like to believe I can be skeptical and analytical...but I just don't believe that Herman is truly out of the equation at this point. I think a lot of the points above make sense. The biggest thing is, if we new 2 weeks ago we weren't getting Herman and knew Monday we weren't getting Smart, and we knew that it was Muschamp or Riley today, then why haven't we pulled the trigger? If we make it to Friday without an announcement, I could be very excited about Sun/Mon's announcement.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:35 pm to Carolina_Girl
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Reports of Mangus to Penn State????
I've been told that this may happen ... and just got a call that MCIllwain had an in home with PSU about 30 mins aho and may be about to flip to them.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:42 pm to scrooster
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I've been told that this may happen ... and just got a call that MCIllwain had an in home with PSU about 30 mins aho and may be about to flip to them.
Mangus and Rahne both had in home with him today. He's 100% to SC, especially if we retain Mangus. If Muschamp comes and he brings Roper, we'll keep him as well. Our real threat here is the MLB, I'm not worried about ped state.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:48 pm to CockInYourEar
Ehh I think it is incredibly more likely that Tanner got put in a tough spot when his sure thing back up got snatched up when UGA unexpectedly came open and now he is left with options he never thought he'd get to so he is taking things slow in order to make the best possible hire
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:19 pm to CockInYourEar
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Mangus and Rahne both had in home with him today. He's 100% to SC, especially if we retain Mangus. If Muschamp comes and he brings Roper, we'll keep him as well. Our real threat here is the MLB, I'm not worried about ped state.
Whew good! Been in meetings all afternoon and missing updates ... lurking at my phone. PSU people think they are about to get him.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:51 pm to scrooster
free article from 247:
https://southcarolina.247sports.com/Board/44/Contents/Gamecocks-Search-The-case-for-Will-Muschamp-41662660
https://southcarolina.247sports.com/Board/44/Contents/Gamecocks-Search-The-case-for-Will-Muschamp-41662660
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South Carolina’s football program has plenty of issues as the Gamecocks look to hire a new football coach.
Those issues can be resolved in short order by making a good hire in the former of current Auburn defensive coordinator and former Florida head coach Will Muschamp.
Coaching Staff
If he gets the job, Muschamp plans to assemble one of the finest coaching staffs South Carolina has ever had from a recruiting, evaluation and development standpoint. Guys like Travaris Robinson and Lance Thompson are two of the best recruiters in the country. Former Gamecocks assistants Brad Lawing and Ellis Johnson have connections to the state and definitely know how to recruit and coach for the Gamecocks- both have proven track records and could be on staff.
Muschamp also is willing to retain South Carolina interim head coach Shawn Elliott on the staff should Elliott want to remain in Columbia. If not, look for Virginia Tech offensive line coach Stacy Searels or current Florida offensive line coach Mike Summers to join him in Columbia and coach the Gamecocks offensive line.
As for other hires, I am told he will put a premium on great evaluators/developers and also coaches who have familiarity not only with recruiting in the state of South Carolina and the Southeast, but also in the SEC.
What about his offensive coordinator/system???
On offense, there are several names floating out there for offensive coordinator, but the bottom line is that Muschamp’s philosophy will be distinctly different this time around.
I am told by multiple sources close to Muschamp that he “learned his lesson” about the pedestrian pro-style attack that he ran at Florida his four years there and that the offense at his next coaching job will be a no-huddle, up-tempo offensive system with run-pass options for the quarterbacks.
The idea, per my intel, is to install new, cutting-edge run-pass options within the system that put major stress on a defense both vertically and horizontally.
Two things about this type of system.
1- It’s the type of offense that gives veteran SEC defensive coordinators nightmares because of the ability for the quarterback to throw or run or hand it off on any given play. The fact that some of these concepts will be new makes it even more intriguing as it won’t be something that defensive coaches see every week.
2- It fits the current (and potential future) South Carolina personnel at quarterback. True freshman Lorenzo Nunez and incoming Class of 2016 signal caller Brandon McIlwain both are perfect for this type of attack.
It’s a radical departure from what Muschamp tried to run at Florida and one that fits the Gamecocks’ personnel to a tee. South Carolina’s offense, for example, will have a much better chance for success out the gate (in 2016) running this style as opposed to trying to install a Big 12-style “air raid” offense (which has never worked at a high level in the Southeastern Conference) that involves pass after pass after pass and little run game without dominant running backs and a big offensive line. Historically, defenses in the SEC are just too good along the lines of scrimmage to attempt to run the “air raid” with any sort of success. An up-tempo offense with RPOS (run pass options) and the threat of quarterback runs? Absolutely. It is a proven commodity in the league and thus is likely why Muschamp is going to head in this direction.
?Recruiting
South Carolina's roster has less difference-makers now than it has for more than a decade (pre-Spurrier) and needs impact players at every position. That means you have to go recruit them.
Throughout his career, Muschamp himself has been known as a relentless recruiter. In one month at Auburn last year, he and Robinson flipped and signed multiple talented defensive players to the Tigers. His classes at Florida overall always featured plenty of surprise “flips” and major signings both in and out of the Sunshine State and he obviously left the Gators with enough talent to win the SEC East under first-year head coach Jim McElwain this season.
With the staff he plans to assemble, Muschamp and company will have the ability to recruit head-to-head in the Carolinas with any program and also sign their share out of the talent-rich states of Georgia and Florida, while spot-recruiting other areas (like the Atlantic Seaboard). I anticipate that a Muschamp staff would cast a wide net for quarterbacks and offensive linemen, too.
Player Development
There is little doubt Muschamp and staff can develop individual talent, particularly on defense. From the 2013-15 NFL Draft, Florida had five first-round selections (one of the best marks for a coach in the SEC during that period)- four of them were on the defensive side of the ball.
For a program like South Carolina, which has an abundance of raw defensive talent in its recruiting footprint and which has produced more than its share of high-end NFL talent on that side of the ball, it’s an outstanding match.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:51 pm to CockInYourEar
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What happened at Florida?
Most detractors on the Muschamp hire use this narrative- “if he couldn’t win at Florida, he can’t win at South Carolina”- and while on the surface, one would think that is a logical explanation, a deeper look reveals the specific issues that caused Muschamp’s tenure with the Gators to be less-than-successful.
First and foremost is that Florida was bad on offense. We’ve already addressed the difference in philosophy his program at South Carolina would have, but let’s take a look at what happened in Gainesville.
First and foremost, Muschamp went against the DNA of the Gators program (they’ve never been great when they haven’t in attempting to install a pro-style offense under his first offensive coordinator- former Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis. On paper, Weis looked like a fantastic hire. He was not and proved during his tenure as the Kansas head coach (he left for the Jayhawks following one season with UF and subsequently got fired) that he clearly peaked as a head coach early in his Notre Dame career and it’s been downhill ever since.
Weis was a bad fit from the start- attempting to install a complex system full of checks and reads and NFL concepts with a team that was used to the spread/option attack under Urban Meyer.
After Weis left, Muschamp hired Boise State offensive coordinator Brent Pease. Who doesn’t want to be like the Broncos on offense, right? Pease actually had a solid first season- 2012- with Jeff Driskel at quarterback (Jacoby Brissett, now at N.C. State, did not win the job and transferred out to Raleigh). The Gators were serviceable on that side of the ball and along with an excellent defense were able to have Muschamp’s best season in Gainesville- an 11-2 mark including a 44-11 win against a South Carolina team that top-to-bottom may have been the best of Spurrier era.
Then the bottom fell out in 2013 thanks in large part to something that was out of Muschamp’s control- injuries. During that 4-8 season, 29 scholarship players missed snaps for Florida because of injuries and 23 scholarship players missed full games. To compound matters, 17 scholarship Gators suffered season-ending injuries.
Among those players were wide receiver Andre Debose, right tackle Chaz Green, Driskel at quarterback, defensive tackle Dominique Easley, offensive tackle D.J. Humphries and running back Matt Jones. So you’re big play threat at receiver, two stud tackles and your starting quarterback all were out for the season.
Muschamp spoke about the injuries several times during that year. He was always careful to point out that he wasn’t making “excuses” but that was just “reality”. It was perhaps one of the most trying years for one coach roster-wise in the modern history of the SEC.
Where Pease failed Muschamp is in the quarterback recruiting department. He signed two players in Skyler Mornhinweg and Max Staver- who could not play dead in a movie and when Driskel got hurt, it derailed any chance the Gators had to sustain the mass injuries they had in 2013.
In 2014, Muschamp’s last at Florida, the Gators offense suffered greatly because of quarterback recruiting misses. Offensive coordinator Kurt Roper was brought in from Duke and from all accounts was a great hire. Driskel, however, lost all confidence and was replaced by true freshman Treon Harris (Fellow true freshman Will Grier was redshirted), who was recruited by most schools as a safety. Harris (as USC fans saw with Nunez this season- and Nunez was better prepared than Harris to run a college passing system) wasn’t ready to start. Florida did happen to beat Georgia, 38-20, throwing only six passes and running maybe 8-10 plays tops against the Bulldogs. Florida simply did not win enough and show enough improvement, though. South Carolina actually blocked two kicks (bizarre bad luck), beat Florida in The Swamp 23-20 in overtime and Muschamp was fired the following week.
Conclusion
For its next head coach, South Carolina needs a recruiter, someone who is motivated, someone who is dynamic philosophically on both sides of the ball, someone who can develop players and someone who knows the game. There isn’t a single contact in college football (coaches and players) that I’ve spoken with that does not rave about what a great football coach Muschamp is. He’s considered one of the most intelligent people in the game today almost universally.
The folks that may not want to hire him can’t see past a 28-21 record at Florida and have no idea what actually happened. Even the folks in the administration at UF (some of whom have contacted USC president Harris Pastides on behalf of Muschamp’s candidacy) knew what type of coach he is.
Sometimes in life situations don’t work out for talented people, they learn from it and come back stronger. Texas and Florida both (two of the best programs in the country) knew the talent that Muschamp had when they went to hire him. Things did not work out in Gainesville, that is a fact, but the coaching talent is still there. Given these factors, there’s not a better choice the Gamecocks can make considering the pool of candidates than Muschamp. This is a coaching search, not a political primary. The popular vote will be tallied on the growth of the South Carolina program in the coming years. That’s what is important right now if the Gamecocks want to get back to winning games.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:35 pm to CockInYourEar
Travis Henry - ESPN - had this to say about our coaching situation tonight.
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Here's a C&P:
Imagine a coaching search as a room, a lobby. It isn’t the DMV, but it also isn’t exactly the type of place in which an athletic director wants to linger.
“I want to get this s--- done as quick as I can,” said one AD with an opening in recent weeks. And sure enough, he found his guy. Got in, got out.
With all of this in mind, you’d think the schools with head coaching positions that became open earliest would be among the first to conclude their searches.
That hasn’t been the case at Maryland and South Carolina, which both had openings the second week in October.
After speaking with a dozen or more candidates in the widest-ranging and most ambitious search out there, Maryland on Wednesday announced it hired Michigan defensive coordinator D.J. Durkin.
Tony Dungy and Chip Kelly were among the school's targets as it banked on Under Armour money and influence in helping to lure a big fish. The goal for AD Kevin Anderson was a “splash” offense-oriented hire, and the result was a 37-year-old DC from the same Big Ten East Division.
“What’s the phrase, ‘Outkick your coverage’? That’s what [Maryland was] attempting to do, whether they realized it or not,” an agent told me last month. “Sometimes a school thinks more highly of itself and its job than others do.”
In other words, Maryland finally got down to the candidates, like Durkin, that it should have been focusing on all along.
South Carolina's search, however, continues well past its initial short list of Tom Herman and Kirby Smart.
AD Ray Tanner isn’t falling into the trap of being overly ambitious. His pursuit of Herman was thwarted by Charlie Strong’s struggles at Texas, which contributed to keeping Herman at Houston as he waits to see what happens in Austin. Houston’s offer to double his salary also played a role. And Smart will reportedly take over at his alma mater, Georgia, next week.
Accordingly, those close to the search say that Tanner has reshaped his list, bumping the following candidates to the top: Lincoln Riley, Oklahoma's wunderkind offensive coordinator, and former Florida coach and current Auburn DC Will Muschamp.
Riley is in the mix to win the Broyles Award for the country’s top assistant after overhauling an Oklahoma offense that led the Sooners to their first Big 12 title since 2010.
The mention of his name has created excitement among Gamecocks fans; he would be the people’s choice. In the coaching community, Riley is regarded as an impressive guy who will one day be a solid head coach.
But he is 32 years old. He’s still a year or two from being ready, in the minds of most agents and coaches. As Herman and others have illustrated, too, a Group of 5 stop is proving to be a prudent play for up-and-comers. Learning on the fly in the SEC can be a brutal task; just ask Muschamp.
And although Riley spent time as an OC at East Carolina, the middle of the country is a more natural hub for the Texas Tech alum.
It would be a risky, interesting hire for Tanner, but Riley’s star is soaring, and many in the coaching community think he’d be wise to rake in a handsome raise at OU and see if he could work his way toward a Big 12 job. On the surface, South Carolina doesn’t appear to be a snug fit.
The idea of Muschamp, who would have been a strong candidate if Spurrier retired last winter, is proving to be a predictably tough sell for Gamecocks fans. They saw him fail in the same division at a school with more resources and a more natural recruiting base, so the optics of Muschamp leading another SEC East program aren’t sitting right with supporters.
And, to some extent, Muschamp has got to be wondering about the fit: If he didn’t fare well in Columbia, South Carolina, where the task of rebuilding the roster is going to be a two- or three-year challenge, would he then torch any chance of being a head coach anywhere in the future?
He would perhaps be better off going to work as Smart’s DC at UGA, which is a distinct possibility. This much is certain: Those who know him have said that working with Gus Malzahn at Auburn has not been a good fit. He is not expected to return there.
Someone close to the South Carolina search told me Tuesday that he thought Tanner “had something up his sleeve,” but no one seems to know if there’s a mystery candidate out there. Free agent Greg Schiano is someone to monitor. Tanner was once said to be intrigued by Arizona’s Rich Rodriguez, but his name hasn’t had traction for a month. Former Gamecocks assistant Shane Beamer could get a look; he would build a staff built largely of assistants from Spurrier’s best teams.
With Herman, Tanner acknowledged to confidants that there was not one drawback that he could find. That isn’t something he can say about the available options in a search that hasn’t been as smooth or direct as intended. Tanner’s been stuck in that purgatorial hiring room longer than he’d like.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:52 pm to CockInYourEar
Well ... Tanner just needs to get it done at this point. Muschamp or Riley, one or the other but get it done, let them get their staffs assembled and hit the road recruiting.
Tanner waited too long for Herman to make up his mind IMHO. And he knew Kirby Smart was going to Georgia two weeks ago.
Now he just needs to get it done - hire one or the other, Muschamp or Riley. Roll the dice and let the bones fall where they may. Just get it on and get with it.
ETA: Whereas I said Mark Richt would not likely end-up at an SEC program because he didn't strike me as the type who would be motivated by revenge. On the other hand, Muschamp does strike me as that type and it may prove to be a big motivator for him. Those sort of things rarely work-out well, but who knows. The football gods work in mysterious ways some times.
Tanner waited too long for Herman to make up his mind IMHO. And he knew Kirby Smart was going to Georgia two weeks ago.
Now he just needs to get it done - hire one or the other, Muschamp or Riley. Roll the dice and let the bones fall where they may. Just get it on and get with it.
ETA: Whereas I said Mark Richt would not likely end-up at an SEC program because he didn't strike me as the type who would be motivated by revenge. On the other hand, Muschamp does strike me as that type and it may prove to be a big motivator for him. Those sort of things rarely work-out well, but who knows. The football gods work in mysterious ways some times.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:35 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Porter Osborne Jr
I just found out y'all's AD offered that contract extension to CMR last January, and then never followed up with him to get it signed.
If y'all ever wanted a legit reason to fire him, here you go. That's complete negligence as an executive to offer a multi million dollar contract to your highest paid employee and then never follow up on it in 11 months.
https://onlineathens.com/sports/college-sports/2015-11-30/uga-quick-hitters-details-mark-richts-buyout-more
Seriously, that's busch league shite right there. I know some of y'all want the AD gone, and this would be about as good and 'provable' reason as any to get him out.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:38 pm to CockInYourEar
Auburn beat writers are reporting that WM has cancelled all of his in home visits. All over Twitter.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:56 pm to UpstateCock2007
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Auburn beat writers are reporting that WM has cancelled all of his in home visits. All over Twitter.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:14 pm to UpstateCock2007
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Auburn beat writers are reporting that WM has cancelled all of his in home visits. All over Twitter.
That's just as big as "heard he's in town with a realtor."
However....
Jonathan Reynolds @FoxSportsJR
Someone who would know told me that Monday was the likely day for the new coach to be named. This was after I asked about Th/Fr. FWIW.
11:07 PM - 2 Dec 2015
@FoxSportsJR: FWIW I think USC's next HC is coaching this weekend...and I think Monday is the day we'll know.
Muschamp isn't coaching this weekend...but Herman is.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:18 pm to UpstateCock2007
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Auburn beat writers are reporting that WM has cancelled all of his in home visits. All over Twitter.
Sounds like y'all got him or Kirby's got him. I don't think Muschamp would do you guys wrong, but I do see a two or three year build up to relevancy. Very very thin class right now with a lot of what's left leaving after this year.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:30 pm to JCdawg
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Sounds like y'all got him or Kirby's got him. I don't think Muschamp would do you guys wrong, but I do see a two or three year build up to relevancy. Very very thin class right now with a lot of what's left leaving after this year.
We lose Pharoh and Skai. Those are are 2 best. Then we lost Shell on OL. Everyone else is coming back or it won't matter who replaced them.
We'll have a lot of talent on defense next year, we just need some people who know how to coach and motivate, we haven't had that for 2 years on defense. With the right coordinators, we'll be right back in the hunt next year, and we'll be in on the recruiting flipping/feeding frenzy that's going to go on at all the SECeast schools.
Miami's, UGA's, Bama's, LSU's, Va Tech's, Maryland. all those schools really with coaching turnover or instability will have plenty of recruits up for grabs this last 2 months. Our benefit is we have PLENTY of roster spots left in this 25 class that we can target a lot of people and not be picky with offers (shotgun approach/tenn oversign) Some teams already have close to 20 in their class and can only go after a half a dozen more guys.
We also have unused scholarships from last year we can back count. I have to check my numbers again, but I think we can sign the 25 to this class, but then back count another 8 (but they would need to be EE's. )
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:10 am to CockInYourEar
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However....
Jonathan Reynolds @FoxSportsJR
Someone who would know told me that Monday was the likely day for the new coach to be named. This was after I asked about Th/Fr. FWIW.
11:07 PM - 2 Dec 2015
@FoxSportsJR: FWIW I think USC's next HC is coaching this weekend...and I think Monday is the day we'll know.
Muschamp isn't coaching this weekend...but Herman is.
This is what has me wondering if this whole shite show has been an epic proportion of a smokescreen. Not getting hyped up about Herman again just to be disappointed..again..but why wait until Monday unless the new HC is actually coaching in a championship game this weekend?
Of course that could be Fedora just as easily as anyone else. Excludes Riley and Muschamp, obviously.
At least the wait is almost over. (I can't get that song "The Final Countdown" out of my mind in relation to this whole thing)
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