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The future is bright in Columbia
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:00 pm
This season was a huge disappointment. We lost 3 games we had double digit leads in the 4th quarter, our defense fall off the face of the planet and and we ended the streak.
Some positives were: for the most part the offense was one of the best ones we've ever had, we beat florida and georgia and our defense actually got better the last 3 games of the season (clemmy burnst us with the speed sweep 5 times, but we contained them for the majority of plays and gave he offense a chance to win that game...but then the offense couldn't get past their defense.)
HOWEVER the future is looking good in Columbia.
1.) We have a Top10 Recruiting class coming, with IMMEDIATE help coming to DE and CB. Several Prep and JUCO DL who are highly rated and then Mark Fields.
2.) There's a very real possibility that in the next month, Muschamp will be our DC and EVEN IF HE'S NOT, Ward will have far superior players to work with next season.
3.) Mitch will not be any worse than Thompson, there won't be a dropoff in QB play, but we'll have to find a way to sustain the line.
4.) From what I've seen from David Williams, he's just as good as Mike Davis.
5.) Cooper and Roland will be back, to go along with a bunch of great RS WR's and incoming FR.
6.) Jerrell Adams should be back. We are going to have a lot of weapons at receiver positions.
7.) Our DB's (except Chris Moody) got better as this season went along. I think Grady can make that unit great once again.
8.) Fry is coming back and we are getting an upgrade in Charlton as a punter.
9.) We get 7 home games and 1 neutral site game next year that is in Charlotte, so it's as good as a homegame b/c of distance and unc fans don't travel well for football.
10.) We get to play lsu from the secw, and texas a&m late in October, when they typcially start faling apart.
Yep, overall, I think things are going to work out nicely next season. The future is bright in Columbia.
Some positives were: for the most part the offense was one of the best ones we've ever had, we beat florida and georgia and our defense actually got better the last 3 games of the season (clemmy burnst us with the speed sweep 5 times, but we contained them for the majority of plays and gave he offense a chance to win that game...but then the offense couldn't get past their defense.)
HOWEVER the future is looking good in Columbia.
1.) We have a Top10 Recruiting class coming, with IMMEDIATE help coming to DE and CB. Several Prep and JUCO DL who are highly rated and then Mark Fields.
2.) There's a very real possibility that in the next month, Muschamp will be our DC and EVEN IF HE'S NOT, Ward will have far superior players to work with next season.
3.) Mitch will not be any worse than Thompson, there won't be a dropoff in QB play, but we'll have to find a way to sustain the line.
4.) From what I've seen from David Williams, he's just as good as Mike Davis.
5.) Cooper and Roland will be back, to go along with a bunch of great RS WR's and incoming FR.
6.) Jerrell Adams should be back. We are going to have a lot of weapons at receiver positions.
7.) Our DB's (except Chris Moody) got better as this season went along. I think Grady can make that unit great once again.
8.) Fry is coming back and we are getting an upgrade in Charlton as a punter.
9.) We get 7 home games and 1 neutral site game next year that is in Charlotte, so it's as good as a homegame b/c of distance and unc fans don't travel well for football.
10.) We get to play lsu from the secw, and texas a&m late in October, when they typcially start faling apart.
Yep, overall, I think things are going to work out nicely next season. The future is bright in Columbia.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 3:02 pm
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:01 pm to CockInYourEar
I need time to cope
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:06 pm to CNB
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I need time to cope
you can cope faster with alcohol, try that, and then get your swag back tomorrow.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:11 pm to CNB
Devils Advocate because I think we'll be equally as bad when I look in my chrystal ball.
1.) We have a Top10 Recruiting class coming, with IMMEDIATE help coming to DE and CB. Several Prep and JUCO DL who are highly rated and then Mark Fields.
How many will actually qualify? Better yet will they get proper coaching and will our schemes still rival those of a middle school team?
2.) There's a very real possibility that in the next month, Muschamp will be our DC and EVEN IF HE'S NOT, Ward will have far superior players to work with next season.
Won't matter he's a moron and won't develop them. I've been told by Joe Rice (google him) that the only coach gone is Botkins. He literally rights million dollar checks to Ray Tanner. So I'll take his word on things.
3.) Mitch will not be any worse than Thompson, there won't be a dropoff in QB play, but we'll have to find a way to sustain the line.
Agree here, they'll both be an anomaly. Sure DT put up stats but he also lost us games and nearly just got Mike Davis killed hanging him out like he did. A true wildcat QB like Cooper would be better. Because next year we won't be able to get the ball to Cooper otherwise. And he's our only certainty on offense.
4.) From what I've seen from David Williams, he's just as good as Mike Davis.
Would agree, just maybe his attitude and work ethic is better. Good riddance Mike Davis.
5.) Cooper and Roland will be back, to go along with a bunch of great RS WR's and incoming FR. Yeah except none of those RS WR's have shown anything so we pretty much only have Coop and Roland. And Roland has been in MiA in productivity.
6.) Jerrell Adams should be back. We are going to have a lot of weapons at receiver positions. Agree with Jerrell and Coop not sure how you know we have "lots" of weapons.
7.) Our DB's (except Chris Moody) got better as this season went along. I think Grady can make that unit great once again.
Agreed 100%
8.) Fry is coming back and we are getting an upgrade in Charlton as a punter.
Got to love Fry and our Punter was the best player on the field today. Unfortunately our Defense looked like a bunch of monkey's farking a football.
9.) We get 7 home games and 1 neutral site game next year that is in Charlotte, so it's as good as a homegame b/c of distance and unc fans don't travel well for football.
Trust we'll find a way to slam our dicks in a door against a Vandy type team.
10.) We get to play lsu from the secw, and texas a&m late in October, when they typcially start faling apart.
Is LSU a home game.
1.) We have a Top10 Recruiting class coming, with IMMEDIATE help coming to DE and CB. Several Prep and JUCO DL who are highly rated and then Mark Fields.
How many will actually qualify? Better yet will they get proper coaching and will our schemes still rival those of a middle school team?
2.) There's a very real possibility that in the next month, Muschamp will be our DC and EVEN IF HE'S NOT, Ward will have far superior players to work with next season.
Won't matter he's a moron and won't develop them. I've been told by Joe Rice (google him) that the only coach gone is Botkins. He literally rights million dollar checks to Ray Tanner. So I'll take his word on things.
3.) Mitch will not be any worse than Thompson, there won't be a dropoff in QB play, but we'll have to find a way to sustain the line.
Agree here, they'll both be an anomaly. Sure DT put up stats but he also lost us games and nearly just got Mike Davis killed hanging him out like he did. A true wildcat QB like Cooper would be better. Because next year we won't be able to get the ball to Cooper otherwise. And he's our only certainty on offense.
4.) From what I've seen from David Williams, he's just as good as Mike Davis.
Would agree, just maybe his attitude and work ethic is better. Good riddance Mike Davis.
5.) Cooper and Roland will be back, to go along with a bunch of great RS WR's and incoming FR. Yeah except none of those RS WR's have shown anything so we pretty much only have Coop and Roland. And Roland has been in MiA in productivity.
6.) Jerrell Adams should be back. We are going to have a lot of weapons at receiver positions. Agree with Jerrell and Coop not sure how you know we have "lots" of weapons.
7.) Our DB's (except Chris Moody) got better as this season went along. I think Grady can make that unit great once again.
Agreed 100%
8.) Fry is coming back and we are getting an upgrade in Charlton as a punter.
Got to love Fry and our Punter was the best player on the field today. Unfortunately our Defense looked like a bunch of monkey's farking a football.
9.) We get 7 home games and 1 neutral site game next year that is in Charlotte, so it's as good as a homegame b/c of distance and unc fans don't travel well for football.
Trust we'll find a way to slam our dicks in a door against a Vandy type team.
10.) We get to play lsu from the secw, and texas a&m late in October, when they typcially start faling apart.
Is LSU a home game.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:17 pm to OldCockNBalls
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How many will actually qualify? Better yet will they get proper coaching and will our schemes still rival those of a middle school team?
Right now, all are expected to qualify. The coaching issues are being fixed in the next 30 days.
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Won't matter he's a moron and won't develop them. I've been told by Joe Rice (google him) that the only coach gone is Sands. He literally rights million dollar checks to Ray Tanner. So I'll take his word on things.
This makes no sense. We ran the ball well this year. He has 5 commits right now, 3 are 4 star level guys.
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Unfortunately our Defense looked like a bunch of monkey's farking a football.
If they would've learned to defend the sweep, they would've had a great game, taters scored 21 points off the sweep. and yes, lsu is a home game.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:20 pm to OldCockNBalls
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Unfortunately our Defense looked like a bunch of monkey's farking a football.
Well that's racist
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:27 pm to CNB
Edit not Sands but Botkin, sorry and that has been edited in OG post.
As far as my comment being perceived as racist. I think if anyone is a racist is you. You're the one that drew a racial parallel between our African American athletes and monkeys buddy. I'm simply pointing out that they have a understanding of the game only paralleled by primates.
As far as my comment being perceived as racist. I think if anyone is a racist is you. You're the one that drew a racial parallel between our African American athletes and monkeys buddy. I'm simply pointing out that they have a understanding of the game only paralleled by primates.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:56 am to OldCockNBalls
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As far as my comment being perceived as racist. I think if anyone is a racist is you. You're the one that drew a racial parallel between our African American athletes and monkeys buddy. I'm simply pointing out that they have a understanding of the game only paralleled by primates.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:59 am to OldCockNBalls
Relax guy. As Loathor said, it was a joke.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 7:36 am to CockInYourEar
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CockInYourEar
The future is bright in Columbia
CIYE ... for some reason I just can't seem to turn this thing around in my head. This season was a disaster. I saw some things happening out there that concern me deeply. I've heard of some things that cause me even greater concern. I dunno - I'm taking a very guarded attitude looking forward. We've got some very real issues to deal with. We took a big step backwards this season and that is never good when it comes to anything in life. Little steps backwards, okay ... but this was a major step backwards and we'd better accept that for what it is and make necessary corrections because talking two step backwards is retreating and we do not want that heading into next season.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 8:31 am to scrooster
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CIYE ... for some reason I just can't seem to turn this thing around in my head. This season was a disaster. I saw some things happening out there that concern me deeply. I've heard of some things that cause me even greater concern. I dunno - I'm taking a very guarded attitude looking forward. We've got some very real issues to deal with. We took a big step backwards this season and that is never good when it comes to anything in life. Little steps backwards, okay ... but this was a major step backwards and we'd better accept that for what it is and make necessary corrections because talking two step backwards is retreating and we do not want that heading into next season.
That's fair. You've seen a lot more football than me, as you are much much much older (haha, j/k, but seriously you are.)
However, what I saw this season was the disaster we all knew could happen before it started. We knew that we had major question marks at DE and CB going into this season. We also knew that Thompson just wasn't as good as Shaw. However, what we hoped for was that we could be dominant in some other areas and it would make up for it. We weren't.
We had 5 guys on the defense roster last year who are now involved with NFL. We have 0 this year. Honestly, the guys who struggled were either too young, to inexperienced, not the right size/strength for the position or simply didn't have SEC Elite level talent. These were the true FR at CB or the undersized DE's. This is going to be fixed by next season.
Lewis, Sawyer, Wideman, Key, and Blackshear are incoming. Lewis is al All American JUCO DE coming in. Sawyer and Wideman have an additional year out of HS on a higher level of competition. Blackshear and Key are amazing talents (I hope Blackshear's leg heals up though.)
Combine that with giving another 8 months for English to add weight/strength, we are going to have several SEC Elite DE's again.
We also may very well get a new DL Coach.
The problem with the CB's wasn't that they had no talent, we put 3 true FR at CB and hoped it would work out. Those guys are going to have a lot of film to watch and Grady can make them better. They are the one defensive unit who actually got better as the season went along. Also, we have Mark Fields incoming, who is higher rated out of HS than any of the guys on our roster. He should be able to at least add some depth. We also never saw Wes Green this season, as he RS'd.
We sucked this year, a lot of it is the coaches fault b/c of guys they recruited who were going to end up as non-qualifiers, they didn't develop the 3* DL we had, and implementing the 3-4 with our personnel was the stupidest thing we've done in a long time.
However, those issues can get fixed, we have the leadership, the cash, the recruited players and the experience to fix them.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:33 am to CockInYourEar
I like your optimism, I really do. We'll add some players as you say, I'll be generous and say 50% pan out. However they'll still be drug down by piss poor coaching, schemes and were sitting at 5/6 losses again next season.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:38 am to OldCockNBalls
CIYE- I wanna be with you on the optimistic side but I just don't see it. Also, I've become a pessimist when it comes to the current staff's ability to recruit and evaluate players. I don't buy the star system and try not to look at everything that way. Taking stars out of the equation, what proof is there that we should just take it as a given this class will be immediate contributors and productive?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 12:08 pm to CockInYourEar
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That's fair. You've seen a lot more football than me, as you are much much much older (haha, j/k, but seriously you are.)
However, what I saw this season was the disaster we all knew could happen before it started. We knew that we had major question marks at DE and CB going into this season. We also knew that Thompson just wasn't as good as Shaw. However, what we hoped for was that we could be dominant in some other areas and it would make up for it. We weren't.
We had 5 guys on the defense roster last year who are now involved with NFL. We have 0 this year. Honestly, the guys who struggled were either too young, to inexperienced, not the right size/strength for the position or simply didn't have SEC Elite level talent. These were the true FR at CB or the undersized DE's. This is going to be fixed by next season.
Lewis, Sawyer, Wideman, Key, and Blackshear are incoming. Lewis is al All American JUCO DE coming in. Sawyer and Wideman have an additional year out of HS on a higher level of competition. Blackshear and Key are amazing talents (I hope Blackshear's leg heals up though.)
Combine that with giving another 8 months for English to add weight/strength, we are going to have several SEC Elite DE's again.
We also may very well get a new DL Coach.
The problem with the CB's wasn't that they had no talent, we put 3 true FR at CB and hoped it would work out. Those guys are going to have a lot of film to watch and Grady can make them better. They are the one defensive unit who actually got better as the season went along. Also, we have Mark Fields incoming, who is higher rated out of HS than any of the guys on our roster. He should be able to at least add some depth. We also never saw Wes Green this season, as he RS'd.
We sucked this year, a lot of it is the coaches fault b/c of guys they recruited who were going to end up as non-qualifiers, they didn't develop the 3* DL we had, and implementing the 3-4 with our personnel was the stupidest thing we've done in a long time.
However, those issues can get fixed, we have the leadership, the cash, the recruited players and the experience to fix them.
Older ain't always wiser my friend, although it is most of the time ... so I hope you're right and I'm wrong on this one.
With regard to pre-season expectations, I have to disagree with you once again. I had heard, had heard actually before the end of last season, how much talent we had returning and how productive they were going to be and how hard-working they were ... and how great this team's chemistry was going to be. I started preaching it after Orlando last year and I relayed it through Spring and through the Summer.
Obviously the writers believed the same based upon what they were hearing and seeing because they voted us to finish #1 in the East.
The disaster this season was the result of losing control in the very first game and never being-able to turn it around and gain it back ... the confidence, the chemistry, the focus and desire.
And that is the coaches' fault - collectively - but it begins with the HBC. Now, he's gotta make some hard decisions. He just announced that he is definitely returning next season, just minutes ago, but he now has to make some big-time business decisions where two, or three, of his staff goes.
Prior to this season he said he felt like this might be the finest staff he had ever assembled. He's now gonna say this is the same staff he's won with over the course of the past two or three seasons.
What's it gonna be I wonder?
Newcomers last year aside - newcomers this coming season aside ... the problem is in the coaching ranks. A&M had more newcomers than us and they dismantled us. Same for Kentucky. Mizzou had a ton of newcomers too. Tennessee started an entirely new OL AND DL ... and beat us.
Spurrier knows all of this - he's not stupid - he's no fool. He knows. How he handles this is going to be very very important for the future of our program.
We're about to find-out if our HBC is a big time decision maker and if our AD (sic: Ray Tanner) is a big time, big program, CEO .... or not.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 12:51 pm to scrooster
Neither are big time trigger pullers and none of us will want to buy a ticket for a game next season.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 1:46 pm to Gamecox20
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CIYE- I wanna be with you on the optimistic side but I just don't see it. Also, I've become a pessimist when it comes to the current staff's ability to recruit and evaluate players.
That's fair, but I think some of the staff won't be here much longer, so we should have a fix in for that shortly.
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I don't buy the star system and try not to look at everything that way. Taking stars out of the equation, what proof is there that we should just take it as a given this class will be immediate contributors and productive?
None, unless you watch a lot of film yourself and look at the players in various combines. All in alll, that 247 Composite rating/ranking is the best thing to happen to the recruiting site business. They take the averages from the various sites for the players, and that really helps give the best picture. Not all guys work out, not all the right guys are ranked high enough, but over time, they'll predict more right than wrong with that composite.
For every Captain Munnerlyn that they whiffed on, they'll pick some Alshon's or Lattimore's that they were absolutely right about.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:37 pm to CockInYourEar
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None, unless you watch a lot of film yourself and look at the players in various combines. All in alll, that 247 Composite rating/ranking is the best thing to happen to the recruiting site business. They take the averages from the various sites for the players, and that really helps give the best picture. Not all guys work out, not all the right guys are ranked high enough, but over time, they'll predict more right than wrong with that composite.
I agree. I am a member there and really enjoy the input from JC as I think he has a good handle on truths about Gamecock Athletics. As far as recruiting goes, a lot can be blamed on in state being down, but the rest is the Kelsey Griffin's and Phillip Duke's of the world. One thing overlooked was how successful kids like Gilmore, Lattimore, Clowney, etc. were in high school. They flat out didn't know how to lose. I think we need to look harder at kids from winning backgrounds but that's JMO.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:38 pm to Gamecox20
I want to see how the Oline is gonna be next year, don't think it's just a plug and play to replace the guys we will lose...hopefully Matulis can stay healthy
Posted on 12/1/14 at 8:00 pm to Carolina Pride
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I want to see how the Oline is gonna be next year, don't think it's just a plug and play to replace the guys we will lose...hopefully Matulis can stay healthy
Agreed, if matulis can get healthy, he'll bring instant experience and toughness to that position. He could play RG or RT, possibly even LG. Most likely RG or LG though.
Paris "Predator" Palmer comin'
That's Under Armor All American Christian Pellage with him. Pellage comin too.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:26 pm to CockInYourEar
Which brings me to my next point. Is our O Line Coach safe in his job? I was under the impression that they were a Bama caliber line. They looked more like well.....sh.t
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