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Serious question about our HBC ...
Posted on 7/15/15 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 7/15/15 at 8:59 pm
If he pulls a Kentucky game, or Tennessee game, or you name it the games we had won where his ego to pass the ball just cost us the game ...
Is it time to let him retire if he pulls any of those same head-scratchers again this year?
I've watched the Auburn loss, the Kentucky loss, the Missouri loss and the Tennessee loss from last year ... I mean, I was there but re-watching them ... WTF?
Is it time to let him retire if he pulls any of those same head-scratchers again this year?
I've watched the Auburn loss, the Kentucky loss, the Missouri loss and the Tennessee loss from last year ... I mean, I was there but re-watching them ... WTF?
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Posted on 7/15/15 at 11:25 pm to scrooster
Well Dylan Thompson isn't our QB this year so hopefully whoever starts won't shite there pants when a pass play is called in the 4th quarter
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:30 am to scrooster
The Auburn loss I can't blame on Steve. The offense did its job that night.
Now, two years of shitting away the UTK games, especially when one assuredly cost USC a division title, and a sterling chance at an SEC Championship? Inexcusable.
I think personnel has something to do with it, though. Steve didn't have the confidence in Davis to close out a game, which I don't understand. He had likely too much confidence in Shaw/Thompson, especially when opposing defenses had frustrated them.
Maybe having a fresh QB and a reliable ground game will flip that script this season.
But I do think that he will retire on his own with a 5-7/7-5 kind of season. But I really do expect a much better year than that.
Now, two years of shitting away the UTK games, especially when one assuredly cost USC a division title, and a sterling chance at an SEC Championship? Inexcusable.
I think personnel has something to do with it, though. Steve didn't have the confidence in Davis to close out a game, which I don't understand. He had likely too much confidence in Shaw/Thompson, especially when opposing defenses had frustrated them.
Maybe having a fresh QB and a reliable ground game will flip that script this season.
But I do think that he will retire on his own with a 5-7/7-5 kind of season. But I really do expect a much better year than that.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 8:12 am to scrooster
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the Kentucky loss, the Missouri loss and the Tennessee loss
For the most part, I blame these losses on the defense and their coaching.
Our offense definitely gave the ball away too quickly in those 4th quarter collapses, and I guess that could be blamed on Steve, but I don't think even he knew just how putrid the defensive scheme would be in trying to close out those games - the Kentucky loss in particular. Playing decently well for 3 quarters was our MO last year.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 8:25 am to Bluefin
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Bluefin
Agree 100%
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:22 am to Bluefin
I concur with Bluefin.
With that tenn game, I wish that Wilds would have pulled a MJD and taken a knee at the 1 instead of that 70 yd rushing TD at the end of the game. There was 4:55 on the clock and we were up by 7. He could've taken a knee at the 1, and we could've gone 4 to score and still made it a 2 score game, but the difference is...we could've taken almost 2 minutes off the game clock. I doubt Butch would've called the Time Outs just yet, b/c he would've saved them for our following offensive possession. That game could've been 38-28 or 42-28 with only 3 minutes left to play. Tenn took 3 minutes to score on the next drive, that game could've been over or we just take 1 or 2 knees on our next possession.
The kent game just sucked, our defense couldn't defend the wildcat for shite. The turnovers were awful....
The mizz game, we played defense for 3 and 1/2 quarters...and then just stopped....
Hopefully Hoke gets that garbage fixed, he'll have a lot of help with the new pass rushers and more experienced DB's. We should be a Top 30 defense next year.
To answer SCRooster's question though, Spurrier shouldn't retire until we have the succession plan in place. If things are going bad, he shouldn't retire at all, he needs to retire on a high note. Having a successful season and program will make the job more attractive to potential candidates, and by that I mean Gary Patterson.
With that tenn game, I wish that Wilds would have pulled a MJD and taken a knee at the 1 instead of that 70 yd rushing TD at the end of the game. There was 4:55 on the clock and we were up by 7. He could've taken a knee at the 1, and we could've gone 4 to score and still made it a 2 score game, but the difference is...we could've taken almost 2 minutes off the game clock. I doubt Butch would've called the Time Outs just yet, b/c he would've saved them for our following offensive possession. That game could've been 38-28 or 42-28 with only 3 minutes left to play. Tenn took 3 minutes to score on the next drive, that game could've been over or we just take 1 or 2 knees on our next possession.
The kent game just sucked, our defense couldn't defend the wildcat for shite. The turnovers were awful....
The mizz game, we played defense for 3 and 1/2 quarters...and then just stopped....
Hopefully Hoke gets that garbage fixed, he'll have a lot of help with the new pass rushers and more experienced DB's. We should be a Top 30 defense next year.
To answer SCRooster's question though, Spurrier shouldn't retire until we have the succession plan in place. If things are going bad, he shouldn't retire at all, he needs to retire on a high note. Having a successful season and program will make the job more attractive to potential candidates, and by that I mean Gary Patterson.
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Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:00 am to CockInYourEar
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Spurrier shouldn't retire until we have the succession plan in place
A plan that does NOT include Bubba.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:10 am to RoyalAir
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The Auburn loss I can't blame on Steve
Steve is what kept us in that game. Weren't we like 4 for 4 on 4th downs throughout the game (until we didn't convert the last one) Plus the successful onside kick. Steve knew our defense couldn't stop AU, they didn't, and his decisions is what kept us in it until the the end.
He did crap the bed vs UT in 2013 for sure. Bad decisions all around, we really could've used Wilds in that game. Davis was exhausted and really unproductive by the end. I feel like Wilds could have gotten us the necessary first downs to run out the clock.
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Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:28 pm to CockInYourEar
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Gary Patterson.
I mean, I'd love it, but I highly doubt it. Patterson can have the best program in Texas with a little luck moving forward. I don't see a scenario where he moves on from there, unless it's to go to aTm to reunite with Hyman.
There's no telling who will be available when Steve retires. My guess is we'll go with someone not yet available, such as Charlie Strong or Chip Kelly. Still, far too many moving parts to predict who's coming here.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:53 pm to RoyalAir
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There's no telling who will be available when Steve retires. My guess is we'll go with someone not yet available, such as Charlie Strong or Chip Kelly. Still, far too many moving parts to predict who's coming here.
That's going to be a big part of it, Steve could retire next year or 10 years from now, nobody knows, but so could any other SEC Coach.
I think we could get Patterson, the SEC would be a huge boost for his career. The only reason he's a Big12 coach now is b/c the Big12 fell apart and was taking any teams they could to keep a conference together. We can pay him more than TCU.
I don't think Strong will come back here, unless he gets fired from TX, and then, would we really want him if that happened? I think Chip will stay in the NFL a while, unless he's fired. I don't know why he traded Foles, that was dumb, maybe he wants to get fired. Kelly would be a huge get for us.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:03 pm to CockInYourEar
In the scenario I presented, both Strong and Kelly would be fired from their current gigs.
I don't have a problem hiring a fired coach who was a bad coach at their last gig. Rich Rod was a crap fit in Michigan, but he's got Arizona rocking. Strong is a poor fit in Texas, but he has had great success in the southeast.
Kelly would be a great get if the Eagles get tired of him. But he does strike me as a West Coast guy, and Southern Cal is going to want a new HC around the same time we will.
I don't have a problem hiring a fired coach who was a bad coach at their last gig. Rich Rod was a crap fit in Michigan, but he's got Arizona rocking. Strong is a poor fit in Texas, but he has had great success in the southeast.
Kelly would be a great get if the Eagles get tired of him. But he does strike me as a West Coast guy, and Southern Cal is going to want a new HC around the same time we will.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:14 pm to CockInYourEar
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, the SEC would be a huge boost for his career. The only reason he's a Big12 coach now is b/c the Big12 fell apart and was taking any teams they could to keep a conference together.
Yeah, but he's had a lot of success with TCU for a long time now. I imagine he has had overtures from a lot of big boys over the years. It would take a lot to get him here.. which would likely need to include Spurrier recruiting him here has Holtz recruited Spurrier.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:17 pm to CockInYourEar
I'd like to see Mark Dantonio get a look.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 2:12 pm to Mr.Sinister
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I'd like to see Mark Dantonio get a look.
They just locked him up with a long term deal. He earned $5.6M last year, and he's locked in for 5 more years. I can't find the exact total, but the 2014 contract gave him a big raise, and the buyout was modified.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 2:52 pm to Mr.Sinister
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I'd like to see Mark Dantonio get a look.
I'd like to have this happen as well. He's a Gamecock born and bred as y'all all know and his success at Michigan State has been impressive.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 3:18 pm to Bluefin
Well ... the Kentucky game he was throwing the ball around late, on first down, rather than running the ball when we had run the ball on them all night.
I remember leaving the stadium and Kentucky fans even asking us ... "why did y'all stop running the ball, was Davis hurt?"
Tennessee game ... throwing the ball on 1st down in OT and taking a huge sack? lol
Okay I gotta ask, Tipton especially ... why all the hate for Bubba? Does someone know something about Junior that I am unaware of - please share.
Okay, with regard to Gary Patterson - that's already been explored and it will never happen. If he were to go anywhere it would be to A&M as has already been stated. Hyman and he are close.
FWIW it has been suggested to me that Hoke will get first shot if things work-out as planned. But Tanner insists he's going to do a proper search through the proper channels with the proper head-hunters and he's going to interview everyone who applies.
We have some connections to Mark Hudspeth that I am aware of, but some say he'll be blackballed by the BOTs because of the Sparky syndrome. We also have some connections to Doc Holliday up at Marshall so he'll be on the list but again, he's got his own negative in his age. Then there is Joey Jones, who I understand we have a major connection to, at South Alabama, who I'm pretty sure has let it be known that when Spurrier decides to hang it up he wants the job here.
I remember leaving the stadium and Kentucky fans even asking us ... "why did y'all stop running the ball, was Davis hurt?"
Tennessee game ... throwing the ball on 1st down in OT and taking a huge sack? lol
Okay I gotta ask, Tipton especially ... why all the hate for Bubba? Does someone know something about Junior that I am unaware of - please share.
Okay, with regard to Gary Patterson - that's already been explored and it will never happen. If he were to go anywhere it would be to A&M as has already been stated. Hyman and he are close.
FWIW it has been suggested to me that Hoke will get first shot if things work-out as planned. But Tanner insists he's going to do a proper search through the proper channels with the proper head-hunters and he's going to interview everyone who applies.
We have some connections to Mark Hudspeth that I am aware of, but some say he'll be blackballed by the BOTs because of the Sparky syndrome. We also have some connections to Doc Holliday up at Marshall so he'll be on the list but again, he's got his own negative in his age. Then there is Joey Jones, who I understand we have a major connection to, at South Alabama, who I'm pretty sure has let it be known that when Spurrier decides to hang it up he wants the job here.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 4:10 pm to scrooster
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why all the hate for Bubba? Does someone know something about Junior that I am unaware of - please share.
He is a goddamn awful play caller and I don't want him in charge of the offense.
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Mark Hudspeth
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Doc Holliday
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Joey Jones
Never heard of any of these people
Posted on 7/16/15 at 6:12 pm to scrooster
my guess...2015 won't be his last season specifically if it does not include more wins than 2014. HBC ain't goin out like that.
he spent 12 seasons at his alma mater and I've always thought that he would not coach at Carolina longer than UF due to that.
he made an interesting remark in Hoover on Tuesday about Hoke being his DC at UF in 2001 - a Gator team he said he thought was his best ever but didn't win the SEC. if he thinks he can't blindly count on Hoke to have the defense in order, he may stay well beyond 12 seasons.
interested in hearing more about Carolina's connection - if you're allowed to expound.
in a strange dynamic - Spurrier would have coached against Jones while he was playing for the Birmingham Stallions in the USFL.
he spent 12 seasons at his alma mater and I've always thought that he would not coach at Carolina longer than UF due to that.
he made an interesting remark in Hoover on Tuesday about Hoke being his DC at UF in 2001 - a Gator team he said he thought was his best ever but didn't win the SEC. if he thinks he can't blindly count on Hoke to have the defense in order, he may stay well beyond 12 seasons.
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Then there is Joey Jones, who I understand we have a major connection to, at South Alabama, who I'm pretty sure has let it be known that when Spurrier decides to hang it up he wants the job here.
interested in hearing more about Carolina's connection - if you're allowed to expound.
in a strange dynamic - Spurrier would have coached against Jones while he was playing for the Birmingham Stallions in the USFL.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 10:50 pm to scrooster
Spurrier has brought the SC program to new heights. I'd like to see him go a few more years (hey, Snyder is doing it), but I think people will perceive South Carolina as a completely different job when he leaves.
A good HC search can be really fun, too. I was filled with hope for ours when the ULM game struck and it became obvious JLS wasn't going to be making a statement that he needed to be hired beyond interim.
A good HC search can be really fun, too. I was filled with hope for ours when the ULM game struck and it became obvious JLS wasn't going to be making a statement that he needed to be hired beyond interim.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 10:53 pm to Carolina_Girl
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I'd like to have this happen as well. He's a Gamecock born and bred as y'all all know and his success at Michigan State has been impressive.
Someone mentioned Charlie Strong above. I would like to see him become our next coach when Bielema leaves. He's from Arkansas and grew up cheering our team, I do believe. I think he'll do well at Texas, it's just a question of if they give him the time he needs. Same kind of scenario with Dantonio, I'm guessing. I didn't know he had Gamecock heritage.
This post was edited on 7/26/15 at 10:54 pm
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