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In order for the gamecocks to get to the next level, muschamp must go

Posted on 9/14/19 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Bossbailey34
South carolina
Member since Aug 2018
1700 posts
Posted on 9/14/19 at 4:33 pm
Hilinski is obviously better than Bentley..and could be even better with a better coach.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 9/14/19 at 5:09 pm to
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and could be even better with a better coach.

Agree
Posted by CarolinaCock
South Carolina
Member since Jun 2012
2606 posts
Posted on 9/14/19 at 6:07 pm to
Muschamp is a game killer
Posted by mikeboss550
Member since Apr 2013
10675 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 2:11 am to
I dont completely agree here, I love to see him bring in a new DC and move TRob to db cach full time, it's obvious he is in over hi head
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12211 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 7:52 am to
Can you imagine Hilinski under Leach
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 7:54 am to
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Can you imagine Hilinski under Leach



Well technically Hilinski did play under Leach
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12211 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:27 am to
What? Muschamp has been outcoached time after time. His time management skills suck arse. He is supposed to be some defensive genius yet sucks there.
Wait does everyone want to celebrate holding bama to less than 100 yards rushing? WHEN YOU CAN THROW ALL DAY WHO NEEDS TO RUN.
Get Muschamp and Tanner out ASAP!!
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:43 am to
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Tanner out A

I unfortunately don’t see this for a while
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12211 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:27 am to
Well rumor ( or for you rumour) is that Tanner is retiring in December. We need to encourage it.
Posted by Carolina101
Lexington South Carolina
Member since Jul 2009
1154 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 12:13 pm to
I have to disagree with all the Muschamp has to go themes. There have absolutely been concerning issues with this team in year 4. Yet I still believe we are going in the right direction. Our offense has some consistency hiccups that will be corrected with Hilinski at QB. The biggest problem with this team is the secondary which can get fixed with recruiting.

No, I am not happy with the way the season started, but Muschamp is still our best option. Who would we hire if we fired him and payed that enormous buyout? Dino Babers? The guy Maryland just murdered? I do not think he can out recruit Muschamp.

After the Alabama game if this team plays the rest of the schedule with that same focus and aggression we will make a bowl and be competitive with UGA and clemsux. Everyone knew going in with this schedule it was going to be brutal but right now I see no reason to just abandon ship.
Posted by Fearless Gamecock
Texas
Member since Sep 2019
109 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 1:30 pm to
I don't even want to think about it honestly, because I don't think this administration would ever have the stones to make a hire like that. We will be stuck with Muschamp through at least 2020, unless he loses every other game this year.

I agree with you overall, I don't think we ever take the next step under Champ, and I actually do like the guy. I wish we could win with him, I really do.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12211 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 2:09 pm to
If you think Muschamp is our best option than you have already accepted failure. We were not prepared for unc and our secondary, which by the way Trob and Muschamp are suupposed to be elite coaches, is horrible. Muschamp has had 4 years to fix the D and is a failure. His game day decisions suck along with his time management. His hires have not been that great.
Posted by Carolina101
Lexington South Carolina
Member since Jul 2009
1154 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 2:17 pm to
Im not accepting failure. Realistically what are our options? Yes the secondary is bad, but we have a chance to pull in another very solid recruiting class. Muschamps buyout is huge. So, if we fired the coach after the season who would we hire that would do a better job? The recruiting class falls apart and we start rebuilding again. The best course of action this year and probably next year is Muschamp

edit: I just must be unaware of this magical land of elite coaches just waiting for us to hire.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 2:19 pm
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:12 pm to
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or for you rumour)

It still puzzles me that you think this is that funny
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:28 pm to
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but we have a chance to pull in another very solid recruiting class.


Yeah, but that solid recruiting class is something that would be called an utter, total, and miserable failure at schools we play against regularly.

What's the difference getting blown out by 20 points versus 28?

Starting to think this Jimmy and Joe thing is just not going to work for us.

I'd absolutely love to have the coach Kansas State hired to replace Snyder.

Or hire a total balls to the walls OC from the Leach line to be head coach.

Same as always. Usually a top 30 recruiting class, occasionally in the 10 to 20 range. And almost always 7th to 13th or so in the conference.

That recruiting ranking isn't going to change for us. I guess the hope was Muschamp was an ace at finding hard-nosed kids who fit his system. But after four years you see much sign of that?

That said, eh let it play out. We do have the buyout, and that is not inconsequential to us (because we aren't insane like some other SEC schools).

But this isn't working. Not really. I have no idea why either. Les Miles wasn't some game management guru, and life turned out fine.

There is some kind of "It" factor Muschamp doesn't have.

Guess I'm kind of testy because I just saw Mizzou is a 10 point favorite over us. Then we have Kentucky after that, and Georgia two weeks later.

I've thought at times that Jake and Muschamp's total commitment to him was the problem, that we potentially could have been a better team with a guy like Scarnecchia who at least wouldn't lose the game single-handedly.

But even with Hilinski showing the promise he has (and Joyner too, btw), something isn't right about this whole thing. The defense shouldn't be this bad in year four.

And why is it a team like Virginia Tech managed to win games with special teams, while ours look like the Keystone Kops? And that is with our serious, serious practices.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:34 pm to
19th ranked class
6 four stars and 7th in the SEC

The mediocrity will continue
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12211 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 5:00 pm to
You have some good points but I ask you what good is a recruiting class if you can't coach them up? This is a coach that had top 5-10 classes at Florida that did nothing with them.
Maybe you're right stack the team with talent before bringing in a head coach.
Posted by Carolina101
Lexington South Carolina
Member since Jul 2009
1154 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 6:59 pm to
That is 100% true have to be able to get the talent and then maximize that talent through coaching and technique. No one is happy with the way the season started, but this is Muschamps last ride. He knows just like everyone else, if he fails as a head coach here he is done. He will go back to being a coordinator and struggle to get power 5 head coaching gigs. I have no doubt he is going to do the best he can to make sure that doesn't happen. I think the biggest problem is talent. We have to get Burch, we got Pickens last year and that has to continue. We were at our best when we had elite talent. Right now we do not have that elite talent.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5888 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 7:25 pm to
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We have to get Burch, we got Pickens last year and that has to continue. We were at our best when we had elite talent. Right now we do not have that elite talent.





OK, but that's not where USC is. It doesn't have the ability to draw elite talent consistently. It has to recruit wisely, develop, and out coach others in order to be successful. In short, we have to have what Kentucky has in Stoops.

That's what Muschamp needed to be here, and he isn't. This team isn't working harder than its competition. It doesn't play sound, positional defense. It routinely commits errors and unforced mistakes so as to ensure it cannot upset better teams.

He's not the guy. But I'm not sure that there's a better option out there. And that is truly sobering. He's a midlevel coach for a midlevel program.
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
13259 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 8:40 pm to
Agreed.

I don’t know why so many of our fans can’t see that we will never return to being a top 10 team under Will Muschamp.

I feel like they’re blinded by his recruiting prowess, even though his recruiting hasn’t been that exceptional since he’s been here. The fact that our local rivals have skyrocketed their programs in the past 5 years doesn’t excuse us losing games like UNC and UVA.

We’re bringing in talent but we’re going nowhere. If all we want is moral victories like playing Alabama close for a half, then frick it, let’s extend Muschamp for 5 years.

(The sad part is, Tanner probably will actually do just that.)
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