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re: How will you remember Jake?
Posted on 4/1/19 at 1:30 pm to mikeboss550
Posted on 4/1/19 at 1:30 pm to mikeboss550
As others have stated, it's hard to know given he has a full year left to play. However so far...
I think he's gotten a lot of unfair criticism from Gamecock fans, at the same time he hasn't quite turned into the QB I think most expected. Way too many Virginia games, and not enough Clemson game performances for the talent he has.
But for all those who love to give him more grief than he rightly deserves, they should remember this. We were 2 and 4, with the program nose diving, and bleak days ahead until he stepped in his freshman year and almost single handedly turned that season around. Having him do that gave us credibility on the recruiting trail that there was hope for our future as we had our quarterback to point to, it reengaged a large percentage of the fanbase that had become toxic and apathetic, and it gave the program some stability and respectability.
Also the kid has been committed to the team and university, not had any off-field issues, and has put up some amazing on-field numbers while not having all that much talent around him and certainly no running game to speak of.
I'm pulling for him to have a great year this year and leave as a beloved player by the fans. I think this year will decide how he's remembered more so than the previous three.
I think he's gotten a lot of unfair criticism from Gamecock fans, at the same time he hasn't quite turned into the QB I think most expected. Way too many Virginia games, and not enough Clemson game performances for the talent he has.
But for all those who love to give him more grief than he rightly deserves, they should remember this. We were 2 and 4, with the program nose diving, and bleak days ahead until he stepped in his freshman year and almost single handedly turned that season around. Having him do that gave us credibility on the recruiting trail that there was hope for our future as we had our quarterback to point to, it reengaged a large percentage of the fanbase that had become toxic and apathetic, and it gave the program some stability and respectability.
Also the kid has been committed to the team and university, not had any off-field issues, and has put up some amazing on-field numbers while not having all that much talent around him and certainly no running game to speak of.
I'm pulling for him to have a great year this year and leave as a beloved player by the fans. I think this year will decide how he's remembered more so than the previous three.
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:50 am to mikeboss550
Did he die or something?
Posted on 4/3/19 at 5:55 am to KingSlayer
Talent wise, I think he’s the best we’ve probably ever had start for us, if not top 3. He’s a damn good one in terms of the offense we run. He’s careless with the ball and has a little too much faith in his arm to make every play. 14 INT last year is a lot, I mean a lot, but take that knowing he had 8 I believe by halftime of the Texas a&m game. At one point he was I believe 7TD and 7INT on the season. Finished with 27 TD passes, which is pretty damn solid. For the production he had this year (62% comp, 3,171 pass yards, 27TD) if he could have cut his picks down to say 9-10, there’s two games there we win and finish 9-4 again. Cut out 3 against UK and we win that game easily.
I think he will show what he truly is in this, his senior season. Another year under Werner and this hurry up, tempo system with what I presume to be a better running game and oline, I could see him around 3,300 yards, and at or a little over 30 TD passes on the season. If he can have a 30/10 TD/INT ratio, we will be in a good spot. 30/6 or so would be even better and that might get us a win against one of the big opponents on the schedule.
By the way; this video I found has us having the hardest schedule in the country by comparison this year.
Sg1 sports says SC has the toughest schedule in CFB for 2019
I think he will show what he truly is in this, his senior season. Another year under Werner and this hurry up, tempo system with what I presume to be a better running game and oline, I could see him around 3,300 yards, and at or a little over 30 TD passes on the season. If he can have a 30/10 TD/INT ratio, we will be in a good spot. 30/6 or so would be even better and that might get us a win against one of the big opponents on the schedule.
By the way; this video I found has us having the hardest schedule in the country by comparison this year.
Sg1 sports says SC has the toughest schedule in CFB for 2019
Posted on 4/3/19 at 7:39 am to chawk195
When you say " talent wise he might be the best" I'm going to assume you're talking about physical talent only. I look at talent for the qb to include mental which, imo, doesn't even put Jake as top 3.
Jake has never made all-american and Jeff Grantz did. A-1 played quite a few years in the nfl.
Shaw, mentally, was one of our best. Hard to say he was the best with the talent he had around him and he had some potent defense to back him.
Garcia, physically, may have been, talent wise, better than Jake.
Jake has never made all-american and Jeff Grantz did. A-1 played quite a few years in the nfl.
Shaw, mentally, was one of our best. Hard to say he was the best with the talent he had around him and he had some potent defense to back him.
Garcia, physically, may have been, talent wise, better than Jake.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 9:16 am to SOSFAN
In terms of talent as a recruit/rankings in the internet recruiting era Jake is probably 3rd behind 1)Hilinski 2) Garcia.
Hilinski is ranked 45th overall.
Hilinski is ranked 45th overall.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 6:22 am
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:20 am to I Bleed Garnet
What do you consider modern times because Todd Ellis was ranked as the #1 qb coming out of hs?
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:21 am to SOSFAN
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What do you consider modern times because Todd Ellis was ranked as the #1 qb coming out of hs?
Modern times of Recruiting Websites.
Ellis was not part of this.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:16 pm to I Bleed Garnet
I wonder where Jake would have been ranked if he wold have stayed in hs for his senior year?
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:31 pm to SOSFAN
Physical talent is what I referred to. He’s top 3 all time for us. Mentally, he’s not there. Maybe this year, his second under Werner, he will finally live up to the hype and potential he has
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:59 pm to chawk195
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Physical talent is what I referred to. He’s top 3 all time for us. Mentally, he’s not there. Maybe this year, his second under Werner, he will finally live up to the hype and potential he has
Who would you say are your top 3 physically talented Gamecock QBs?
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:30 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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How will you remember Jake?
First QB to lead SC to and SEC championship and win it. Statue built outside of WB stadium. Heisman runner up (gotta hate runner up but damn, it happens)
QB with largest nuts
~Fin
Posted on 4/4/19 at 6:03 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Modern times of Recruiting Websites.
Football existing LONG before this, but I am in no way surprised by your myopic reply.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 6:20 am to Lonnie Utah
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Football existing LONG before this, but I am in no way surprised by your myopic reply.
I understand this but what other way are we supposed to judge besides a few regional magazines and stories?
Are these sites always right? Not even close
But we have the technology and people to get a better ranking than we did 50 years ago
That’s why i said the “internet recruiting era”
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 6:22 am
Posted on 4/4/19 at 7:54 am to I Bleed Garnet
How was Ellis considered the #1 QB coming out of hs if no one was ranking players?
And what did you do to Lonnie? I've never seen him be this ruthless.
And what did you do to Lonnie? I've never seen him be this ruthless.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 7:56 am
Posted on 4/4/19 at 8:04 am to SOSFAN
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How was Ellis considered the #1 QB coming out of hs if no one was ranking players?
Can you find me a list of that ranking? Or is it just somewhere they said "best QB in the nation?"
I'm not saying he wasn't but I use the internet rankings to a higher degree considering these sites now cover a broader scope.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 10:22 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 8:35 am to Lonnie Utah
Not 1 mention of Steve Taneyhill in this thread.
#2 in all time passing yards for SC. (8782)
#4 for most yards in a single season (3,094)
Has the #2 and #3 most yards in a single game (473, 451)
#1 in total TD passes in his career (61)
#1 for most TD passes in a single season (29)
Tied for #1 for most TD passes in a single game (5)
Beat Clemson twice
I don't give a hoot in heck about how a QB is ranked in HS (Connor Shaw was a 3*). How did he preform in the heat of battle?
#2 in all time passing yards for SC. (8782)
#4 for most yards in a single season (3,094)
Has the #2 and #3 most yards in a single game (473, 451)
#1 in total TD passes in his career (61)
#1 for most TD passes in a single season (29)
Tied for #1 for most TD passes in a single game (5)
Beat Clemson twice
I don't give a hoot in heck about how a QB is ranked in HS (Connor Shaw was a 3*). How did he preform in the heat of battle?
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 8:37 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 8:47 am to Lonnie Utah
I think Tanneyhill and Shaw are the two best
The issue i have with stats is Jake will break those all because of how the game has changed.
Jake has over 3k yards this year he threw the ball 388 times.
If we get a guy who plays atleast 3 years in the near future (or maybe 4 if he’s not good enough to go to the NFL) he’ll break that.
He has 27 TDs this year. 10-15 years ago, that was the most in the conference
This year, the number one is 43.
It’s like that in the NFL too. 3K yards was a huge deal, then it was 4K now you got guys throwing for 5k
The issue i have with stats is Jake will break those all because of how the game has changed.
Jake has over 3k yards this year he threw the ball 388 times.
If we get a guy who plays atleast 3 years in the near future (or maybe 4 if he’s not good enough to go to the NFL) he’ll break that.
He has 27 TDs this year. 10-15 years ago, that was the most in the conference
This year, the number one is 43.
It’s like that in the NFL too. 3K yards was a huge deal, then it was 4K now you got guys throwing for 5k
Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:00 am to I Bleed Garnet
Dispite his place in the recordbooks, Taneyhill is often "overlooked" because he had an overall losing record for his career. At 19-13 entering his SR season. Jake likely won't end up in that territory, but could well be a afterthought in terms of gamecock QB's.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:46 am to Lonnie Utah
What does it for me is Taneyhil came in as freshman back in the day when it was much more rare.
Today you got kids that are really talented lighting it up from day one.
1992 that wasn’t the case.
He also played on far less talented teams
Today you got kids that are really talented lighting it up from day one.
1992 that wasn’t the case.
He also played on far less talented teams
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:50 am to I Bleed Garnet
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I think Tanneyhill and Shaw are the two best
Not trying to be a devil's advocate, but there was a forgotten qb, Bobby Fuller we had during the Sparky Woods era.
Looking back he was kind of like Phil Petty with a little better arm.
Anyway, how I'm going to remember Jake is as a guy that just never got the knack of reading a defense.
He might be a smart guy (think I saw him say he wanted to go pre-med in one of his early media ops). He might be a film junkie.
But when he gets on the field all that goes out the window. If he doesn't have a clearly open guy on one of his progressions he doesn't have the slightest idea of where to look, or to make a judgement call as to whether he needs to tuck it and get two yards if nothing else.
His spurts of making crazy throws, both in selection, and just making bad throws don't help.
Jake has actually been very lucky in his career at qb. He's had a lot of interceptions, but he has also gotten away with more than his fair share of crazy throws and decisions that by all rights should have been pick sixes or turnovers, only the defense drops it or can't believe the ball went there.
I also wish he'd run more. He has the body for it. I've watched plenty of Kansas State qb's with about the same athleticism be key parts of the running game. Whether he looks like Lurch running the ball or not, the defense actualy having to account for him as a possible ballcarrier on any play would help the running game.
It's funny. I watched a Dan Werner interview recently, where he was talking about the qb's going through their progressions, and not taking off running.
Only thing is, Kurt Roper may be gone, but as far as I know we are still pretty much running the Duke offense, with the same terminology even. But when I watch Duke I see qb's take off and run all the time; even that guy (Daniel Jones?) that just declared for the draft.
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