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Can someone please give me a benefit of kicking the XP first?
Posted on 11/13/21 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 11/13/21 at 5:45 pm
This is such a slam dunk decision in favor of going for 2 after the first score. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with how simple of a concept this is yet a significant portion of people cannot grasp it. Please list one benefit.
“You’re down 8 and make it a one possession game” is not a benefit because I still have to convert the same 2 Pt conversion we just failed. Unless you think it’s a higher probability you get the second 2 Pt attempt than the first (I have no idea why you would think that), then I can see absolutely no reason to not go for 2.
“You’re down 8 and make it a one possession game” is not a benefit because I still have to convert the same 2 Pt conversion we just failed. Unless you think it’s a higher probability you get the second 2 Pt attempt than the first (I have no idea why you would think that), then I can see absolutely no reason to not go for 2.
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 5:49 pm to Weagle25
I’m pro going for 2 first as well. You’ve got to get the 2 point conversion at some point and going for it earlier lets you know if you need the extra possession or not instead of putting all your eggs in the basket of converting the 2.
However I can also see the benefit psychologically of only being down one score and giving your offense confidence along with putting pressure on the defense.
However I can also see the benefit psychologically of only being down one score and giving your offense confidence along with putting pressure on the defense.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 5:49 pm to Weagle25
Because of the position it puts you in if you dont make it. Just like it did today.
If you kick the extra point, you are still down 8 but that is one possession. So you had 3-4 mins left so you just kick off and play defense on a long field.
If you go for 2 and dont make it, you are now down 2 scores with 3-4 mis and need to do a onside kick. That is a low percentage of recovery so you end up down 2 scores and give them a short field. Now they dont need many yards to either score or kick a FG to put it away
You have to think about what will happen if you dont make it there. Like it did. You basically give them a easy chance to ice the game on a short field.
If you kick the extra point, you are still down 8 but that is one possession. So you had 3-4 mins left so you just kick off and play defense on a long field.
If you go for 2 and dont make it, you are now down 2 scores with 3-4 mis and need to do a onside kick. That is a low percentage of recovery so you end up down 2 scores and give them a short field. Now they dont need many yards to either score or kick a FG to put it away
You have to think about what will happen if you dont make it there. Like it did. You basically give them a easy chance to ice the game on a short field.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 5:53 pm to Weagle25
quote:Easy, you miss and its a two score game. You kick the xp, its a one score game.
Can someone please give me a benefit of kicking the XP first?
Why risk a guarantee one score difference
Posted on 11/13/21 at 5:54 pm to Weagle25
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Unless you think it’s a higher probability you get the second 2 Pt attempt than the first (I have no idea why you would think that), then I can see absolutely no reason to not go for 2.
I mean by kicking the XP first we still had a chance of winning. If we have a chance then Bo is in there, not Finley. If we scored another TD then I’d guess momentum is even moreso on our side and our team feels it. I’d like our chances of going for 2 little more then.
Yet, we didn’t kick. we failed the two point conversion and that slammed shut any chances of winning.
This post was edited on 11/13/21 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 11/13/21 at 5:56 pm to ChexMix
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Easy, you miss and its a two score game. You kick the xp, its a one score game.
It’s a two score game either way if you’re operating under the assumption you don’t convert the 2. One way you know it’s a two score game earlier, the other you don’t know until the clock is almost out.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:01 pm to LanierSpots
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If you kick the extra point, you are still down 8 but that is one possession. So you had 3-4 mins left so you just kick off and play defense on a long field.
So I still don’t know the results of my 2 Pt conversion so I send the defense out there and waste time off the clock. I still have same probability of being successful on the 2 Pt conversion. Now what position am I in if I don’t get it? Same one I would have been in but with a lot less time on the clock.
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Now they dont need many yards to either score or kick a FG to put it away
With how much time is on the clock, I can’t afford to give them a first down. Once you do it’s over.
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You have to think about what will happen if you dont make it there. Like it did. You basically give them a easy chance to ice the game on a short field.
All I’m doing is giving them free time off the clock by kicking it.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:03 pm to AA7
quote:What are you talking about. We were down 15, we scored a TD
It’s a two score game either way if you’re operating under the assumption you don’t convert the 2.
15 - 6 = 9
Extra point. 9 -1 = 8. One score game
Miss 2 pt. 9 - 0 = 9. Two score game
Make 2 pt. 9 - 2 = 7. One Score game.
that only way you get a two score game is if he misses the extra point or you fail on the 2 pt.
Math and shite
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:04 pm to AA7
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t’s a two score game either way if you’re operating under the assumption you don’t convert the 2
My thing is you’re asking your offense which hadn’t played very well up to that point to do or die. By failing to convert you’re basically killing the game there after all.
I’m of the opinion that we needed to stay out of those situations unless absolutely necessary.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:04 pm to ChexMix
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that only way you get a two score game is if he misses the extra point or you fail on the 2 pt.
Might want to read his post again.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:05 pm to jangalang
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My thing is you’re asking your offense which hadn’t played very well up to that point to do or die. By failing to convert you’re basically killing the game there after all.
I’m of the opinion that we needed to stay out of those situations unless absolutely necessary.
The offense is in do or die for the rest of the game no matter what you do. They were in do or die when we scored our last TD.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:06 pm to Weagle25
quote:if i read it wrong i care not. We should have kicked the damn extra point and not allowed them the opportunity to seal the win after the onsides kick.
Might want to read his post again.
If we kick the extra point, there is no onside kick.
This isnt hard to conceptualize
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:08 pm to ChexMix
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If we kick the extra point, there is no onside kick.
There is if we miss the 2 Pt conversion. And we had the same chance of converting it no matter when we do it.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:08 pm to ChexMix
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Extra point. 9 -1 = 8. One score game
You’re assuming we get this two point conversion here.
The point is that when you are down 15 it doesn’t matter when you go for it, the fact of the matter is that it takes 3 scores to catch up if you don’t. The game essentially comes down to the 2 pt play.
I personally would want to know if I need the extra possession earlier in the game rather than later on when there is less clock.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:12 pm to Weagle25
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The offense is in do or die for the rest of the game no matter what you do. They were in do or die when we scored our last TD.
They were in striking distance when they scored a TD. That’s all we needed.
You wanted it to be do or die and you got your wish. You got to see Finley play meaningless minutes too. Did you like meaningless minutes?
Don’t you think we would have more momentum and the crowd back in it if we had another TD?
This post was edited on 11/13/21 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:13 pm to Weagle25
quote:what fricking 2 pt conversion. What the frick are you talking about.
There is if we miss the 2 Pt conversion. And we had the same chance of converting it no matter when we do it.
Some imaginary 2 pt conversion we would possibly miss after the second TD???? Jesus man, mental gymnastics right there. So throw the baby out with the bath water because why?
"you have to go for two eventually" - mental midget approach
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:16 pm to jangalang
I get the psychological reasoning behind going for the XP and being within one. Not arguing that. It’s more so just the discussion of what it more important having your team know they’re one score away or knowing whether or not you need an extra possession.
I get the rationale in both.
I get the rationale in both.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:18 pm to ChexMix
Chex you’re losing me man
All we are saying is there really a difference in kicking the XP and then missing the 2 pt conversion after the second TD as opposed to missing the 2 pt conversion after the first TD?
All we are saying is there really a difference in kicking the XP and then missing the 2 pt conversion after the second TD as opposed to missing the 2 pt conversion after the first TD?
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:18 pm to jangalang
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They were in striking distance when they scored a TD. That’s all we needed.
I’m saying our offense was in do or die for the rest of the game once we went down 15 which is before the decision I’m asking about. So that’s a non-factor because the offense is going to be in that situation no matter what at that point. I obviously would like the offense not to be in do or die.
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You wanted it to be do or die and you got your wish.
That makes zero sense.
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You got to see Finley play meaningless minutes too. Did you like meaningless minutes?
I would rather make the decision that gives me the highest chance to win. You’re rambling now and making zero sense unless your argument is it keeps the game entertaining longer. If that’s your goal, seems weird to me.
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Don’t you think we would have more momentum and the crowd back in it if we had another TD
I do not believe it would’ve gave us a higher chance to convert no.
Posted on 11/13/21 at 6:19 pm to AA7
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The point is that when you are down 15 it doesn’t matter when you go for it, t
It does matter. Its about field position and what kind of shape you leave your defense in. For the most part, you would rather your defense need one stop from the other 20 than from your own 40.
Honestly, today was the perfect example of why you need to kick the XP and then play defense on a long field with the chance of stopping them and getting a punt so you can run your offense and win the game. Not have to do it twice
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