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Percentage of TAMU cadets that serve in the military?

Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted by ludawg
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:38 pm
There's a linked citation in the Wikipedia entry for United States Senior Military Colleges that states 220 cadets were commissioned in 2018. Cadet corp annually is over 2,000 so the numbers don't look that good.

The URL of the link cited is LINK / ...but... TAMU has taken it down.

Now there's no info about numbers available on the school site ...just a message to contact the Office of the Commandant for more info on the school military commission link. LINK

I get that they commission more officers than any other non service academy, but that's only because they have a much larger student body overall than the other senior military academies.

From the numbers above, it looks more like a cheer/social club than a serious path to military service. Probably are taught some good life skills and have the option to accept a commission, but it looks like most do not.

Would like to know figures with documentation if anyone has the info.
Posted by Porker Face
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:39 pm to
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it looks more like a cheer/social club than a serious path to military service. Probably are taught some good life skills and have the option to accept a commission, but it looks like most do not.


It is about as relevant as becoming an eagle scout
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

There's a linked citation in the Wikipedia entry for United States Senior Military Colleges that states 220 cadets were commissioned in 2018. Cadet corp annually is over 2,000 so the numbers don't look that good.

The URL of the link cited is LINK / ...but... TAMU has taken it down.

Now there's no info about numbers available on the school site ...just a message to contact the Office of the Commandant for more info on the school military commission link. LINK

I get that they commission more officers than any other non service academy, but that's only because they have a much larger student body overall than the other senior military academies.

From the numbers above, it looks more like a cheer/social club than a serious path to military service. Probably are taught some good life skills and have the option to accept a commission, but it looks like most do not.

Would like to know figures with documentation if anyone has the info.


220 X 4 years = 880 out of the 2000, so that's roughly 44%.

This post was edited on 10/3/21 at 3:42 pm
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:42 pm to
2200 cadets across 4 years. Average 550 per class, but attrition mans probably ~400-450 go through all 4 years. 220 would be about 50%.

Math, yo.
Posted by AgsNguyening
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:43 pm to
Not sure what the point of this is, but you appear to be really bad at math and simple logic.
Posted by texag7
College Station
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:43 pm to
Hopefully this doesn’t keep you up at night too much
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:43 pm to
You have to keep in mind the path to a commission from the late 1890’s until now has gone off the charts. Even small colleges have ROTC programs. My wife’s side of the family were all Army officers who were in the Corps of Cadets at AM, it does teach a level of discipline and loyalty. Probably more so than the standard ROTC program at insert college.

I was also an Officer Green to Gold at Alabama.
This post was edited on 10/3/21 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:44 pm to
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It is about as relevant as becoming an eagle scout
Less.

Eagle Scouts can enlist straight into E-3 pay grade.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:45 pm to
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It is about as relevant as becoming an eagle scout

Well, I’d say being an Eagle Scout is a pretty big flipping deal, personally.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:45 pm to
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quote: It is about as relevant as becoming an eagle scout Well, I’d say being an Eagle Scout is a pretty big flipping deal, personally.


I would agree, when I enlisted my Eagle Scout gave me an extra stripe.
Posted by armtackledawg
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:46 pm to
Appreciate every one of them that does serve. Not sure of your point
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:48 pm to
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There's a linked citation in the Wikipedia entry for United States Senior Military Colleges that states 220 cadets were commissioned in 2018. Cadet corp annually is over 2,000 so the numbers don't look that good.


You have little if any understanding of how commissioning into the military works.

1. There are only three schools that aren't capped by federal law in the number of commissions they can grant. Those are the academies and even they are capped by class size.

2. Each ROTC program is given an allocation of how many total commissions they can grant as a portion of the total year group. It's not legally possible for every cadet in a class group to commission.

The cadet corps is about 2,100. That's TOTAL. You don't commission until you graduate.

Assume in a cadet corps of 2,100 that 700 are freshmen, 550 sophomore year, 450 junior and 400 senior.

Those 220 cadets are over the course of an entire year group (December - August) and not all graduate in 4. Some take 5 and 6 years.

Now, of that initial 700 freshman, the attrition rate is close to 20%, hence the 550 estimate for sophomores. There's a further 10% attrition rate between sophomore and junior as coursework gets more difficult and/or individuals run out of money. Between junior and senior those that attrit are due to disciplinary and academic issues.

If you assume a 35-40% rate of a cadet class that takes a contract, that's 245-280 cadets out of 700 that start who sign a contract their junior year. That could easily drop down to 220 if you don't meet your academic obligations.

To summarize, you're looking at it wrong. Instead of looking at the 220 who commissioned out of the entire cadet corps, 3/4 of which have not completed their full four years, look at it as 220 out of the senior class to get the correct number.

My commissioning alone (May 2000) had 74 Lieutenants and Ensigns. To put it into perspective, the combined ROTC programs, Freshman to Senior, in Austin, had 51 at the time. Before a t-sip throws a fit, that's likely what they were capped at.
This post was edited on 10/3/21 at 3:54 pm
Posted by ludawg
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:50 pm to
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1. There are only three schools that aren't capped by federal law in the number of commissions they can grant. Those are the academies and even they are capped by class size.

2. Each ROTC program is given an allocation of how many total commissions they can grant as a portion of the total year group. It's not legally possible for every cadet in a class group to commission.


Thanks. Good info. Which two of the five service academies are capped?
This post was edited on 10/3/21 at 3:55 pm
Posted by ludawg
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:51 pm to
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Appreciate every one of them that does serve.


Very much.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:54 pm to
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Eagle Scouts can enlist straight into E-3 pay grade.

Seriously?
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:57 pm to
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Seriously?
Just looked it up.

I guess it is only E-2 now. When I joined, Eagle Scout = automatic E-3 if the MEPS Monkeys did their job.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 3:58 pm to
I saw a shot of a group of TAMU ‘cadets’ during the game last night. Looked like a bunch of pasty white pussy nerds that wouldn’t know the business end of an M4 from a pumpkin spice latte.
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 4:00 pm to
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Looked like a bunch of pasty white pussy nerds that wouldn’t know the business end of an M4 from a pumpkin spice latte.
So they looked like Lieutenants?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30667 posts
Posted on 10/3/21 at 4:06 pm to
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Just looked it up.

I guess it is only E-2 now. When I joined, Eagle Scout = automatic E-3 if the MEPS Monkeys did their job.




I didn't know that. ROTC in highschool was how most people were getting that.

It's not the hugest deal, you can make E-3 in less than a year pretty easily. And you'll be in the same job/role either way until you are P-4. But the extra money is nothing to complain about.

Posted by ludawg
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 4:07 pm to
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I saw a shot of a group of TAMU ‘cadets’ during the game last night. Looked like a bunch of pasty white pussy nerds that wouldn’t know the business end of an M4 from a pumpkin spice latte.


Some do look goofy, but the ones that stay with it all four years do get offered a commission and props to those that go on to serve. Never meant to imply that finishing it out isn't an accomplishment with an excellent opportunity for service. Maybe the goofy looking ones are the ones who sign up for the social aspect.
This post was edited on 10/3/21 at 4:08 pm
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