I don't recall any stories about people waiting in line for vaccines and they just couldn't get them because there wasn't enough supply. In fact, Warp Speed was so effective, more effective than most imagined, that it lends credence to vaccine skeptics in the form of - "how could they do this so fast and effectively, doesn't seem possible."

But Fib's news sources seem to call it a botched operation because Trump was too concerned with the election. And the saddest part is that a smart person like Fib believes them.

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Posted by fibonaccisquared

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Posted on 9/17/21 at 3:00 pm to deeprig9

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The left can gaslight all they want

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But Fib's news sources seem to call it a botched operation because Trump was too concerned with the election. And the saddest part is that a smart person like Fib believes them.

Jesus Christ... this place is absolutely incapable of having a conversation without dipping into "they disagree with me, so they are clearly [insert directional political leaning of opposite persuasion]".

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I want to make sure I understand you... Warp Speed delivered too many doses?

If this is what you took away, you're either dumber than I've given you credit for over the years or you're being intentionally obtuse.

You answered the problem further down in your post:
"The only strategy of substance that was delegated to states was the decision on who was first in line. Pretty much all of them did the same thing- elderly and healthcare workers and first responders/cops etc first, then teachers, then everyone."

It wasn't just a matter of who was first in line, it's how the processing of that line would be handled. If you fail to account for people not showing up for scheduled vaccinations (there was not a surplus of vaccine relative to the demand, there was simply a surplus of vaccine relative to who was told they could get one at that time). Failure to plan for real world scenarios is a failure in logistics. Not just in getting vaccines to a location, but in administering vaccines to the public. Relying on states and local DPH to get that right and saying "we got the shots there" is not successful management IMHO. As I said before, I don't have first hand experience so happy to be educated where I have a fundamental misunderstanding, but it seems that you agree with me that it was a choice of the Federal Government to delegate that to the states/localities.

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Please share. There could be other factors involved here. The leading distributor (not manufacturer, but distributor) had five new warehouses set up as staging areas around the country, in addition to some existing warehouse space that was utilized- that's one possible skew point. Example- all of Alabama and SC's doses are in a warehouse in Atlanta, for example. All of Arkansas and Mizzou's doses are sitting in Memphis, for example. I would like to see this data you refer to.

I'll look to see if I can find anything, we're quite a ways removed from vaccine deliveries in January, so most of my commentary is of course reliant on my memory of what I read at that time and the immediate period after. At the end of the day, you and I are likely to disagree and I'm ok with that, but what is the rationale for your approach here? Do you want actual discussion or do you want to try and "prove yourself right"? Because if it's just the latter, by all means chalk one up in the win column and I can move on... it just doesn't matter that much to me.