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re: COVID Spike at UGA

Posted on 9/12/21 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by Sir Thomas Bombadil
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 3:52 pm to
I mean, in terms of why things are different from last year, we have a different variant at play. Are you contending that it’s vaccine related? Something else? Do you have a source? I’d be curious to see that information.

I had a feeling NYT would be considered #fakenews, which is why I included the sourced CDC study. Check out the table in the study - it’s fairly clear. They also break things down by age group and then provide an aggregate number.

Nothing in that study or what I said is inconsistent with the study in your link. Your linked study says that should individuals with breakthrough infections are just as infectious as individuals without a vaccine. That does not affect my premise: vaccinated individuals are less likely to transmit COVID because they are less likely to catch it. You have to have a breakthrough infection in order to transmit COVID, and a vaccinated individual is 4.5 times less likely to catch it.

Also, a few quotes from your article:

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While this sounds discouraging, it’s important to keep three things in mind:

Vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease.

Breakthrough infections among vaccinated individuals remain uncommon.

The majority of new COVID-19 infections in the US are among unvaccinated people.



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Vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease, breakthrough infections and disease among vaccinated individuals remain uncommon, and most of the new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. are among unvaccinated people.


(Emphasis added.)

Not sure what I’ve said that prompts an “idiot” response, but no worries. I’m not trying to start an argument with you - I’m fully aware I’m not going to change your mind. I just thought some additional would be good to have in case someone capable of critical thinking came by and had been vaccine hesitant.

Edit: on my phone and missed a few other comments - apologies:


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Also, explain the logic that mandates are needed if only people who choose to be unvaxxed are at risk?


I didn’t say anything about the mandate. I don’t support a federal mandate - I think that’s an overreach.

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If you’re vaxxed, and you truly believe the covid jab protects you, why the frick do you care if anyone else chooses to go unprotected?


As stated above, vaccination reduces chance of infection (and hospitalization and death). Unvaccinated individuals are more likely to catch COVID; therefore, are more likely to spread it, which affects everyone (including vaccinated individuals).

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Again, why are these people bypassing all medical standards of “treatment” and going 100% straight to the vaccine? And not only all in on the vaccine, but actually LYING continually about viable treatments that are consistently proving to work? Why are doctors sending people home without prescriptions? Why are pharmacies getting bullied into not filling prescriptions?


Has nothing to do with the data we both have cited above, so not really sure how it’s relevant.
This post was edited on 9/12/21 at 4:05 pm
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14343 posts
Posted on 9/12/21 at 4:38 pm to
My 11 yr old tested positive on Friday…so we’re all quarantined in the Squatch house. Sore throat and mild fever for him since then…he’s fine and loving all the Xbox time. Me and wife (vaccinated) tested negative and pretty sure my oldest (unvaccinated) will too. Now we’re just trying to not get it.

My wife had it last year. If we get through this with nothing bad happening I’ll feel pretty good about my boys having natural immunity. If that’s the case I probably will opt out of the booster since I’ll have had it in the house twice without getting it. Main reason I got the vaccine was to protect my family if I got it and it was bad.

Fingers crossed.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 9/12/21 at 7:04 pm to
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I mean, in terms of why things are different from last year, we have a different variant at play. Are you contending that it’s vaccine related? Something else? Do you have a source? I’d be curious to see that information.

I had a feeling NYT would be considered #fakenews, which is why I included the sourced CDC study. Check out the table in the study - it’s fairly clear. They also break things down by age group and then provide an aggregate number.

Nothing in that study or what I said is inconsistent with the study in your link. Your linked study says that should individuals with breakthrough infections are just as infectious as individuals without a vaccine. That does not affect my premise: vaccinated individuals are less likely to transmit COVID because they are less likely to catch it. You have to have a breakthrough infection in order to transmit COVID, and a vaccinated individual is 4.5 times less likely to catch it.
How do you not see the contradiction?

You’re contending there are variants and this is why cases and hospitalizations are up 300%, and at the same time insisting the vaccine makes the vaxxed more protected than the unvaxxed.

How in the blue frick can you have it both ways?

Did the vaccine for the original strain suddenly begin protecting against the variants?

Here’s a clue… it hasn’t.

So all these people with variants OBVIOUSLY have the same viral load particles as the unvaxxed.

Again, the powers at be are lying to us and some of you buffoons can’t process quite simple logic because you’re idiots, and you just gobble up whatever your tribe tells you.

So again, if vaxxed people can still transmit covid, and the vaxxed folks believe they are still somehow protected, why the hell do you care if anyone is unvaxxed?

Think for a moment on this hypothetical… let’s say everyone on the planet is vaxxed. Literally 100% global vaccination. Is covid suddenly gone? Are there no more hospitalizations and deaths?

NO!!! Because the goddamn thing is going to mutate and the vaccine doesn’t do shite for any subsequent variant.

And now we have everyone in close quarters with max viral load again in their transmissible airways. Nobody has antibodies because the vaccine disrupts covid-recovered immunity, the mRNA spike proteins are causing ADE and more frequent mutations, and this fricking shite never ends.

When the solution is in viable treatments that we should be taking the instant we have symptoms. Treatments that would virtually eliminate hospitalizations, where it’s too freaking late to do anything but go on a ventilator and wait to die.

But existing treatments don’t make Big Pharma money, and politicians can’t get their big campaign donations and kickbacks when that happens. So we’re stuck in this perpetual bullshite until folks like you stop being stupid and start realizing their stories don’t add up.
This post was edited on 9/12/21 at 7:07 pm
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