Of course you post propaganda from NYT. When are you folks going to finally learn the MSM and politico’s are owned and in cahoots with Big Pharma, and they’re all getting rich off government subsidized covid “relief” and vaccine funding tax dollars?

This same media is still calling a Nobel Prize winning anti-viral drug that nearly 4 billion fricking humans have been prescribed, and the WHO has on their list of global ESSENTIAL medicines, a “horse dewormer”.

How the hell are you idiots still believing anything they say?

Here is John’s Hopkins just a few weeks ago: LINK

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Amesh Adalja, MD, of the Center for Health Security, answers a few questions about our evolving understanding of immunity and COVID vaccines. THE NEW DATA SAYS THAT A FULLY VACCINATED PERSON WHO EXPERIENCES A BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION CAN SPREAD THE VIRUS JUST AS MUCH AS AN UNVACCINATED PERSON.

the exact rates of breakthrough cases are unknown at this time because cases may be asymptomatic and, until recently, the CDC didn’t recommend that vaccinated people be tested following exposure. For this reason, updated guidance states that vaccinated people should resume wearing a mask in indoor public areas, especially where there is high transmission of COVID-19.

Seriously, think… why the hell are we hitting 300% higher cases and hospitalizations NOW than this time last year when magnitudes fewer people were vaxxed?

Also, explain the logic that mandates are needed if only people who choose to be unvaxxed are at risk?

If you’re vaxxed, and you truly believe the covid jab protects you, why the frick do you care if anyone else chooses to go unprotected?

Again, why are these people bypassing all medical standards of “treatment” and going 100% straight to the vaccine? And not only all in on the vaccine, but actually LYING continually about viable treatments that are consistently proving to work?

Why are doctors sending people home without prescriptions? Why are pharmacies getting bullied into not filling prescriptions?

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Posted by Sir Thomas Bombadil

Member since Jan 2020

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Posted on 9/12/21 at 3:52 pm to BeefDawg

I mean, in terms of why things are different from last year, we have a different variant at play. Are you contending that it’s vaccine related? Something else? Do you have a source? I’d be curious to see that information.

I had a feeling NYT would be considered #fakenews, which is why I included the sourced CDC study. Check out the table in the study - it’s fairly clear. They also break things down by age group and then provide an aggregate number.

Nothing in that study or what I said is inconsistent with the study in your link. Your linked study says that should individuals with breakthrough infections are just as infectious as individuals without a vaccine. That does not affect my premise: vaccinated individuals are less likely to transmit COVID because they are less likely to catch it. You have to have a breakthrough infection in order to transmit COVID, and a vaccinated individual is 4.5 times less likely to catch it.

Also, a few quotes from your article:

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While this sounds discouraging, it’s important to keep three things in mind:

Vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease.

Breakthrough infections among vaccinated individuals remain uncommon.

The majority of new COVID-19 infections in the US are among unvaccinated people.

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Vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease, breakthrough infections and disease among vaccinated individuals remain uncommon, and most of the new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. are among unvaccinated people.

(Emphasis added.)

Not sure what I’ve said that prompts an “idiot” response, but no worries. I’m not trying to start an argument with you - I’m fully aware I’m not going to change your mind. I just thought some additional would be good to have in case someone capable of critical thinking came by and had been vaccine hesitant.

Edit: on my phone and missed a few other comments - apologies:

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Also, explain the logic that mandates are needed if only people who choose to be unvaxxed are at risk?

I didn’t say anything about the mandate. I don’t support a federal mandate - I think that’s an overreach.

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If you’re vaxxed, and you truly believe the covid jab protects you, why the frick do you care if anyone else chooses to go unprotected?

As stated above, vaccination reduces chance of infection (and hospitalization and death). Unvaccinated individuals are more likely to catch COVID; therefore, are more likely to spread it, which affects everyone (including vaccinated individuals).

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Again, why are these people bypassing all medical standards of “treatment” and going 100% straight to the vaccine? And not only all in on the vaccine, but actually LYING continually about viable treatments that are consistently proving to work? Why are doctors sending people home without prescriptions? Why are pharmacies getting bullied into not filling prescriptions?

Has nothing to do with the data we both have cited above, so not really sure how it’s relevant.

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Posted by Lucius Clay

Member since Sep 2012

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Posted on 9/13/21 at 4:56 am to BeefDawg

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When are you folks going to finally learn the MSM and politico’s are owned and in cahoots with Big Pharma, and they’re all getting rich off government subsidized covid “relief” and vaccine funding tax dollars?

Any connection to Joe Scarborough killing one of his interns, politicos in cahoots to make money off fake global warming, the worldwide pedo ring run by leftists, and the crazy stuff printed on US currency? Gotta think this stuff is all connected somehow.

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