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re: Harsin’s scheme simply doesn’t fit with Auburn’s personnel
Posted on 8/24/21 at 6:46 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 8/24/21 at 6:46 pm to Tuscaloosa
If he doesn’t he will be gone in 4 years.
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 6:52 pm to Tuscaloosa
This is fricking hilarious. Nobody, and I mean nobody knows how Harsin is going to do. Let’s at least give the guy one game under his belt before we figure out whether or not he’s going to be a wild success or dismal failure.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 6:54 pm to TailbackU
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This is fricking hilarious. Nobody, and I mean nobody knows how Harsin is going to do. Let’s at least give the guy one game under his belt before we figure out whether or not he’s going to be a wild success or dismal failure.
All I’m saying is he’s got a really uphill battle, and he’s already basically two years worth of recruiting classes behind, so the gap is getting wider. He’s going to have to build quickly.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 6:56 pm to Tuscaloosa
Did you say the same when Gus was hired after Chizik failed to win a SEC game in 2012?
AU returns more starters than most of the league. Talent wasn't AUs problem.
AU returns more starters than most of the league. Talent wasn't AUs problem.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 6:59 pm to Tuscaloosa
Who knows. I sure as hell don’t. I’m pulling for the guy. Hired to bring a culture change to AU and he has done that. He’s not a “system“ guy like Gus was. He’s a culture guy. And he’s coming up to speed quickly on how the SEC is full of dirty backstabbing cheating cocksuckers everywhere. I think he’ll manage to finish in the top 20 of this class and if he meets needs, that’s a good start. But I’m going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt at least until they kick off the fricking football.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 6:59 pm to Tuscaloosa
Considering Auburn did very well in the transfer portal by all accounts (looks like we will have at least 6-7 transfers that will contribute significant minutes and not because there is a lack of talent at their position) I don’t think we are as far behind as most. I will say that we will need another significant influx of transfers to supplement the 22 class to fill the gap.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:10 pm to Irons Puppet
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Did you say the same when Gus was hired after Chizik failed to win a SEC game in 2012?
Probably not. You guys just fired Gus, in case you missed it.
However, since you brought it up, Auburn’s recruiting rankings during that stretch:
2010 - 6th
2011 - 5th
2012 - 11th
2013 - 10th
Gus had some legit upperclassmen talent to work with and was able to build on what was already there to make the pieces work. Harsin is showing up to a cupboard that isn’t bare, but it’s not top level SEC West talent, either.
Your average recruiting class ranking over the last 3 seasons is good enough for 4th place in the West, which is about where I expect Auburn to finish this year and next at least.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:27 pm to Tuscaloosa
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No, no, it’s a super clever play call with really neat and confusing shifts that are incredibly complicated - to include a full 270 spineroonie.
I love when people who don't know anything about football try and make disparaging comments.
You send the blocking personnel and back out there to see what the numbers look like. If you get favorable numbers you throw it out to the back and walk in the endzone. If not you shift back under center and run it. It also puts something on film for your future opponents to think about. Which later on down the road could leave them light in the box vs a QB run.
Shifts have meaning in football. They are checks to see what the defense is in, as well as wholesale changes of plays from one shift to the next. It's not just some whirly bird something or another, or whatever the hell you called it.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:34 pm to Tuscaloosa
Same thing I'm sure you said in 2013 and 14.Your analysis sucks , even with the benefit of hindsight. But it is what we have leaned to expect from uou.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:35 pm to BigTastey
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So they are proud of their junk! More than likely you use the little boy potty on the corner where no one can see you!
The reason folks "use the potty around the corner" is to prevent boomer figs named BigTastey from ogling at their peens.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:54 pm to macjonesgoat
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Sarks playbook was the thickness of a college textbook.
bullshite
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:55 pm to Irons Puppet
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Same thing I'm sure you said in 2013 and 14.Your analysis sucks , even with the benefit of hindsight. But it is what we have leaned to expect from uou.
I don’t create the numbers or the stats. Auburn’s recruiting classes have averaged 4th place in the West over the last 3 years. If they outperform that this year, they will have outperformed the talent on their roster. That’s a fact. You don’t have to like it.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:58 pm to picollo
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I love when people who don't know anything about football try and make disparaging comments.
You send the blocking personnel and back out there to see what the numbers look like. If you get favorable numbers you throw it out to the back and walk in the endzone. If not you shift back under center and run it. It also puts something on film for your future opponents to think about. Which later on down the road could leave them light in the box vs a QB run.
Shifts have meaning in football. They are checks to see what the defense is in, as well as wholesale changes of plays from one shift to the next. It's not just some whirly bird something or another, or whatever the hell you called it.
How in the absolute monkey frick are there still people 10 pages later who haven’t bothered to read what I’ve said about that shift? I played college football. I know what a fricking shift is. That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation.
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It's not just some whirly bird something or another, or whatever the hell you called it.
This horseshite right here
Is a motherfricking whirly bird (270 degree spinneroonie towards the near boundary) that serves zero, ZERO, NADA, 0 purpose.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:16 pm to Tuscaloosa
But you did show that your stats are shite. Three years of Top 10 classes produced a winless SEC record. I know some people live and die by the recruiting rankings for obvious reasons. They don't have to know football, they just use other people's work. Truth is it's sbout development of talent and the system they are in. Some don't have the knowledge to understand that fact. Those guys are usually the ones who look at the stat sheets on Sunday morning.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:20 pm to Irons Puppet
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Three years of Top 10 classes produced a winless SEC record.
They fired that guy for good reason, right? Because he underachieved? Or was it for some other reason?
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I know some people live and die by the recruiting rankings for obvious reasons. They don't have to know football, they just use other people's work. Truth is it's sbout development of talent and the system they are in. Some don't have the knowledge to understand that fact. Those guys are usually the ones who look at the stat sheets on Sunday morning.
What has Auburn’s average standing in the SEC West over the last 10 years?
What has been their average recruiting ranking in the SEC West over that period of time?
I think you’ll find those numbers aren’t too far apart.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:28 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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It isn't just the plays, but the terminology, and description of what each player should on each play. I've read that Les Miles's playbook was 400 pages.
It isn't just the plays, but the terminology, and description of what each player should on each play. I've read that Les Miles's playbook was 400 pages.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:03 pm to Tuscaloosa
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They fired that guy for good reason, right? Because he underachieved? Or was it for some other reason?
No, they fired him because he couldn't take advantage of any success. Some might say he overachieved, but couldn't figure out the formula.
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What has Auburn’s average standing in the SEC West over the last 10 years?
What does average standing have to do with anything. It is your achievements that people remember, not your average standing. In 11 seasons AU played for two NC, played in three SECG, won a NC and two SECC.
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What has been their average recruiting ranking in the SEC West over that period of time?
Recruiting rankings are for people who don't know football and depend on someone else to tell you how good a player is. Development of players goes a lot further than some number on a list compiled by writers who were lucky to play a down in HS.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:06 pm to Irons Puppet
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What does average standing have to do with anything.
It has a lot to do with what kind of talent you’ve got at your disposal, and vice versa, which is what this entire conversation is about.
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Development of players goes a lot further than some number on a list compiled by writers who were lucky to play a down in HS.
Thank you for admitting that Nick Saban is the greatest developer of talent CFB has ever seen.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:15 pm to Tuscaloosa
I actually agree with your point - that synchronized-swimmer pirouette is totally superfluous and pointless.
However, I fail to see its relevancy for AU football 2021, seeing as how it was from a bowl game four years ago, involving a different team with a different OC and drastically different personnel. And it could easily be argued it was a bit of a flourish in a game that was pretty much over at that point (2:32 in the 4th, already up by two scores). Its not like you pulled something like that from a competitive game.
I honestly think AU’s offense will be much more like Bobo’s offenses at UGa, CSU and SC, seeing as how he will be the one setting the schemes and calling the plays. Whether or not it will be effective at AU is TBD.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:18 pm to Tuscaloosa
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It has a lot to do with what kind of talent you’ve got at your disposal, and vice versa, which is what this entire conversation is about.
AU success in 13 was do to the system and a few key players. Most of the key players were not highly ranked in the recruiting rankings. Remember Marshall was a DB.
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Thank you for admitting that Nick Saban is the greatest developer of talent CFB has ever seen.
Not really, you could argue he is the best at recognizing talent out of HS, but their development is not on the same trajectory from their Freshman to Jr Year. Again, blame Saban's inability to recruit a great QB early. Think about what you might be saying without the three mulligans he received. Would Bobby Bowden's record be more impressive , considering he never got a mulligan.
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