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Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:53 pm to
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:53 pm to
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What does that mean, you idiot? It means that "one of the best recruiters in the country" with his ****ing SEC pedigree is basically doing nothing on the recruiting front at UCF that they weren't already doing without him


So Gus is keeping UCF a team that head coaches have left for greater jobs in your opinion and kept them where they have been recruiting wise. Yet we get a guy and move him up and we are behind where we have never been and you think you're winning the argument.

This isn't a Gus and Harsin discussion. For me it's purely Harsin. Don't give 2 shits what Gus and UCF is doing but find it amusing you can't let Gus go. Brokeback Meta!! Yes in posting before that Gus was one of the best recruiting head coaches there is in the game. That was reference to his time a AU and only time I care whatsoever what he was doing. If you disagree ok... don't give a shite. Both are opinions however I bet I can find more data to support my claim on head coaches recruiting and Gus being good to elite then you can that he's some loser on the trail. Any way not what I intend to be the discussion.

The discussion is and should be why are we struggling to get any in roads into truly SEC talented players in this class. This is Auburn University. We aren't fricking Vandy. Does the Boise Culture work outside of Boise no matter how well you sell it outside of a new conference. All of those should be questions we are asking before game 1 and appears i'm the only one that gives a shite enough to ask the hard questions.

Found this interesting and I'll just leave it here. Boise state head coaches from Koetter to Harsin... essentially what they would refer to as the Boise way. Hasn't worked for shite outside of BSU.

Dirk Koetter BSU – 3 seasons .722
AZ State – 6 seasons .600
Dan Hawkins BSU – 5 seasons .828
Colorado – 5 seasons .327
Chris Petersen BSU – 8 seasons .885
Washington – 6 seasons .679
Bryan Harsin BSU – 7 Seasons .784
Auburn - TBD


Petersen was essentially Gus in a very watered down PAC with USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon all down to varying degrees.
Posted by AUEE13
Member since Oct 2013
628 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:03 pm to
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Dirk Koetter BSU – 3 seasons .722
AZ State – 6 seasons .600
Dan Hawkins BSU – 5 seasons .828
Colorado – 5 seasons .327
Chris Petersen BSU – 8 seasons .885
Washington – 6 seasons .679
Bryan Harsin BSU – 7 Seasons .784
Auburn - TBD


Credit where it's due, I've seen this discussed elsewhere and it does concern me about Harsin.

And (EDIT: concerning recruiting) I think Jonesy kinda sums it up ... we all know this class isn't going to be that great from a rankings perspective, beating that drum is unnecessary. I'm just not ready to panic about recruiting until I see the product on the field and how the '23 class shakes out. If we're in the 20s after the '23 class signs and we haven't seen some on-field improvement I'm definitely going to be concerned.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 8:44 pm
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3599 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 10:21 am to
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Found this interesting and I'll just leave it here. Boise state head coaches from Koetter to Harsin... essentially what they would refer to as the Boise way. Hasn't worked for shite outside of BSU.

Dirk Koetter BSU – 3 seasons .722
AZ State – 6 seasons .600
Dan Hawkins BSU – 5 seasons .828
Colorado – 5 seasons .327
Chris Petersen BSU – 8 seasons .885
Washington – 6 seasons .679
Bryan Harsin BSU – 7 Seasons .784
Auburn - TBD


Petersen was essentially Gus in a very watered down PAC with USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon all down to varying degrees.


Another incredibly lazy and uninformed take, as expected.

Notwithstanding the fact that Boise State jumped conferences twice in the timeframe of Koetter to Harsin (Big West Conference to Western Athletic Conference to Mountain West Conference) and has incrementally been increasing its strength of schedule (Harsin faced tougher opponents during his tenure there than Petersen did - and replicated nearly identical results) which makes "comparisons" between the the coaches stupid and pointless, even Dirk Koetter himself has gone on record to state that Boise State's "transition" is really broken down to the Koetter/Hawkins era, and then the Petersen/Harsin era - where they took a big step forward in terms of developing the "Boise State culture". Petersen stands well above Koetter/Hawkins, and Koetter himself has basically alluded to this.

Secondly, the notion of painting Petersen's tenure at Washington as anything other than a huge success is absolutely comical, and of course to try to make a point there you had to ignore reality entirely. Petersen was at Washington for 6 seasons, never compiled a losing season, and built his program up to three straight 10+ win seasons with two conference titles in that span. He literally only stepped down/retired due to stress/burnout, likely spawned from that fact during his tenure at Boise he was coaching while his youngest son was battling pediatric cancer.

You thought that you were being clever by pointing out his .679 career winning percentage at Washington as if to prove that his "system" (the "Boise System") didn't work - but what you conveniently left out is that you have to go all the way back to Don James, who coached at Washington from 1975-1992 and is the program's "Pat Dye", to find a coach with a better winning percentage than Petersen's .679. If you look at Washington coaches who coached in 50 or more games, Petersen's .679 ranks as the 4th best winning percentage in school history, and two of the guys that posted better winning percentages (Gil Dobie and Enoch Bradshaw) coached in the pre-1930's era of college football. You can deflect all you want about how the "PAC was down", Washington is historically a mid-tier program in that conference, and Petersen ranks as one of the most successful coaches in program history. What he accomplished is not in the least bit "easy"; as proven by Steve Sarkisian who was there for 5 seasons and only won more than 7 games ONCE, with his best season being an 8-4 season in which they finished 3rd in the North Division. Petersen won the North Division in three straight seasons.
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