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An honest observation. Does Bama really matter?

Posted on 7/15/08 at 9:53 am
Posted by BT4LSU
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 9:53 am
A point to consider when reading all these
pro and anti Bama posts.

Does it really matter?

Think about why LSU is on top. LSU is in a very unique position, due to locale, lack of in state competition and proximity to other state talent.

I liken it to the UF scenerio up until 1985. Florida was always a stepchild and then once the facilties and the coaching came in, the tremendous talent stayed there. UF has never looked back. Oh sure, Zook had them slip a bit a few years agi, but they play every year on New Years Day-- or later. The same should and can be expected for LSU now.

First, LSU upgraded the coaches and facilties, and then like UF, got wildly successful.

Second, Louisiana is, has been and always will be dripping in talent. High School football in Louisiana is big time, and per capita is one of the few areas that can match the states of CA, TX and FL in delivering top notch college talent.

Third, our facilties are incredible, and always being updated to stay ahead, which is happening as we speak. Even if there are a handful that might be a little better, like Oregon... there's no doubt LSU's are top notch.

Fourth, pro scouts and teams, and many contacts are in the state (unlike MS and AL) so there's simply no reason for a Louisiana kid to go elsewhere, unless he wants to play earlier or has in his heart he wants to go out of state. It occasionally happens, but most of the time, most of the top notch kids from Louisiana head to LSU.

Fifth, there is the "rivals" factor. In state people hounding you to make a decsion to go to either Auburn or Alabama?

Where do you go? Hell with it-- go to LSU. They're just around the corner and can offer as much (or more) than either one of the rivals.

It makes for an easy alternative.

Now, that's a nice advantage. Now.... multiply that 4 times....for example.... Plug in a kid trying to choose between Texas A&M or Texas (eastern Texas). Plug in Ole Miss-MSU (MS) and to a lesser extent the panhandle of FL, what you end up with is the fact that LSU is perfectly situated with access to the greatest football talent in the USA. All within about 150-200 miles of it's stadium.

Like Florida, LSU has found itself. And in my opinion, based on the above criteria, LSU is actually in even a more desirable position than Florida.

And despite what many LSU bashers have stated, and even some LSU ranters, this is why I will continue to state LSU should be the top force in the SEC, with or without Bama.

Saban could go 6-6 this year and blame it on the process. That process full of excuses will continue to prove LSU is simply a better program.

LSU has many more advantages than Bama has. And LSU knows it. It's why we're reloading again with perhaps the best recruiting class in LSU history. It's why we have the best set of coordinators.

LSU is it's own eco-system. LSU, quite simply is in fact the 800 pound Gorilla (Tiger?) with the chainsaw for a penis, the only one that in fact could consume Gators on a year in and year out basis in the SEC.

We have more going for us now, and in the future than any other SEC team, possibly... and I mean possibly... save for Florida.



This is no slam to Bama, nor is a hate message.

It's simply an honest opinion based on factual changes in the world of college football. The 1970s ended a long time ago guys-- and while the West will have a lot of powerful teams, LSU should be the superpower, regardless of what
Bama does. The SEC could use a good Bama to complement LSU, like Auburn does, or like a good Georgia or Tennessee team complements Florida.


Sad as it is... let Bama believe what they want. Let them believe what they want. It can only postpone reality a few more years. In the new millenium, it's as simple as this:

Bama ain't LSU.
Posted by RebelNutt
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 10:13 am to
Yes
Posted by LuckyLee
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 10:22 am to
That's a nice little rant, but if you think LSU will always be on top and never be down again, I'd say you're dumb. Every team and program has ups and downs, no matter how much history or prestige they have. You think in the 60s and 70s Bama fans thought it'd ever be like it is now? Hell no.

How about USC in the '90s? USC has the greatest locational advantage in all of CFB and they stunk in the '90s. They even have great traditional and they were basically down for a decade.

Why didn't LSU dominate in the '90s? Like you said, LSU is in a great recruiting state and next to Texas with no in state competition. LSU made two good coaching hires in a row, 2 mid level guys (when they came in) who proved they were big time coaches. That's why you're successful now.
This post was edited on 7/15/08 at 10:23 am
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 10:25 am to
quote:

LSU should be the superpower, regardless of what
Bama does. The SEC could use a good Bama to complement LSU, like Auburn does, or like a good Georgia or Tennessee team complements Florida.


One I do not think Bama will ever dominate the SEC again.

However don't get too carried away with LSU superpower stuff because it just isn't close to true. LSU has had a few good years here and that is great, but what about UGA in the same time period. I bet over the last 5-10 years UGA may have a BETTER record than LSU in the SEC and overall (someone will do the research I am sure). FL had a run like this if not better in the 90's. AU in the 80's and so on...

LSU is not an SEC superpower. To do that you have to establish a string of multiple SEC cahampionships back/back/back and domination over the rest of the league. LSU is in the top tier along with FL, UGA, AU, TN. Sure a little above last year, but are they gonna be the best team in the SEC this year?
Posted by KPCrimson
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 10:26 am to
I agree. How about OK in the 90's? I tell you, for a team that does not matter we sure are talked about a lot. j/k
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 10:37 am to
Just checked.

80's - AU 3 consecutive SEC titles 4 total.

90's - FL - 4 straight SEC titles. 5 total.

00's - LSU - 0 consecutive titles. 3 total. (2 years left in decade).

We won't go back to the 70's. It gets a bit silly way back then.
This post was edited on 7/15/08 at 10:40 am
Posted by Old Times
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Think about why LSU is on top. LSU is in a very unique position, due to locale, lack of in state competition and proximity to other state talent.


LSU IS WHERE IT IS FOR ONE REASON:

LSU/ALA SERIES
2000-W
2001-W
2002-L
2003-W
2004-W
2005-W
2006-W
2007-W

LSU IS NONE THE LESS TRAILING ALABAMA WITH TWENTY MORE LOSSES THAN WIN IN THE SERIES!!
Posted by trex1250
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:56 pm to
Tiger in Miami you are dead on. I will say that LSU won't likely go back to the bottom. We have a great program but not a dominant one.
Posted by Pax Regis
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

LSU is in the top tier along with FL, UGA, AU, TN.


AU does not belong in this sentence, and arguably TN doesn't either.
Posted by TexTgrTed
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

Why didn't LSU dominate in the '90s?

We convinced those suckers in Baton Rouge we could really coach, and that we would work for food.

Signed,

Curley Hallman & Gerry DiNardo
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

AU does not belong in this sentence, and arguably TN doesn't either.


Whatever.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

AU does not belong in this sentence, and arguably TN doesn't either.


You keep telling yourself that.


Edit: Tennessee has won the East five times, and the SEC twice in the past ten years. They are a top tier team. Auburn has won the West three times and the SEC once, in a season that should have been a national title season, in the past ten years. They both are top tier teams.
This post was edited on 7/15/08 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Proejo
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 1:27 pm to
Auburn since 1951 = .691 winning pct.

LSU since 1951 = .643 winning pct.
Posted by kclsufan
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

High School football in Louisiana is big time, and per capita is one of the few areas that can match the states of CA, TX and FL in delivering top notch college talent.


Actually I think per capita, MS is #1 and LA #2. Can somebody check me on that? MS's problem is that it doesn't have one dominant school (or any for that matter) and they get raided by multiple other schools every year.
Posted by LSUsaintsfanla
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Member since Dec 2006
10956 posts
Posted on 7/15/08 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

You think in the 60s and 70s Bama fans thought it'd ever be like it is now?


the majority of bama fans i know think its around the corner every year and the sad thing is its not... ya'lls delusional fan base has got to wake up and realize that ya'll, us or anybody will ever be a back to back to back to back champs like the bear did it so many years ago.... the league just got to competitive.... and bear died also
Posted by LSUsaintsfanla
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

Gerry DiNardo


hate to admit this but he had a lot to do with us getting back on track.... he got us back to bowl games.... then that other guy came in
Posted by trex1250
Roswell
Member since Jun 2007
1151 posts
Posted on 7/15/08 at 3:43 pm to
Tiger, Ross can't you understand someone's point that AU being 48-18 in the SEC this decade with the only undeafeated season makes it a bottom tier SEC team. Doesn't that make sense?
If y'all had won a few more conference games some on this board would say you were the worst team in the conference.


Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 7/15/08 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

Tiger, Ross can't you understand someone's point that AU being 48-18 in the SEC this decade with the only undeafeated season makes it a bottom tier SEC team. Doesn't that make sense?
If y'all had won a few more conference games some on this board would say you were the worst team in the conference.



Posted by BT4LSU
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 8:00 pm to
LuckyLes (and a Bama fan who thinks Les Miles is lucky, I may add) states:



<<Why didn't LSU dominate in the '90s?>>

I can think of a gazillion reasons.. all that are NOT applicable to now. I again point out the similarities between LSU and UF. In the 1990s LSU did not have the facilties or the coaches, and hell, the athletic department was basically broke in 1989.

Florida was nothing until 1985.... see the point?



And this comment by Lucky...

<<Like you said, LSU is in a great recruiting state and next to Texas with no in state competition. LSU made two good coaching hires in a row, 2 mid level guys (when they came in) who proved they were big time coaches...That's why you're successful now>>

I Completely disagree. An earlier (and controversial post) commented on this a couple months ag. It has to do with the changing of college football. LSU makes the coaches. Not vice versa. LSU made Saban, and LSU made Miles. Hell even DiNardo went 10-2 and 9-3 until he hired Lou Tepper and crashed and burned in 1998 with perhaps the most talent in the SEC that year.


Like UF LSU became successful and now a bad season will be a 8-5 season, not a losing season. Was Zook a good coach? Yet UF layed on New Years Day every year under him. Can't say the same prior to UF's facilities or Steve Spurrier.

Does anyone ever think UF is ever going to go 6-6 or 5-7 ever again? No way. A bad year from here on out will be 8-5, or even 9-4 like they were last year. What I am saying a bad year for Bama is now 6-6 or 7-6. That's simply should not ever happen at LSU, ever again.

I'm comparing the current and future state of the programs....so...I pose this question to you:

If (IF) Saban fails to deliver a MNC. much less
a SEC title in 5 years, would you then admit LSU has the better program? If it doesn;t happen, then why would'nt you? The proof will be out there, especially when LSU simply continues to win 10 games every year.

Think about it.

Sure, there will be some years here and there UT and UGA will get Florida. Sure, Auburn will get LSU here and there. Arky's good for a couple wins against LSU every 8 or 9 years or so... and so is Bama.

And I totally understand LSU will eventually not be on top. LSU will eventually have that 8-5 record somewhere down the line I am sure.

Just not anytime soon.

And that's probably about the worst it may ever get for LSU over the next decade or more.

So does Bama matter?

Based on nearly 15 years of college football evalution, in all honesty MSU and Bama programs are pretty close to being the same since 1997.

Now, MSU has beaten Bama quite a bit over these last couple years, and Auburn owns them.

So...I'm a lot more concerned with Auburn than Bama. Maybe they matter- but maybe just not as much as many paint them here.

Now, next year, and in the future.


Posted by Old Times
Member since Jan 2008
771 posts
Posted on 7/15/08 at 9:05 pm to
quote:

I Completely disagree. An earlier (and controversial post) commented on this a couple months ag. It has to do with the changing of college football. LSU makes the coaches. Not vice versa.




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