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re: OT-: Let's Talk Socialism
Posted on 4/4/20 at 2:09 pm to baconwaffle
Posted on 4/4/20 at 2:09 pm to baconwaffle
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Give me a break on the whole "Democrats started them". It's so tired and lazy.
Premise #1: the truth is tired and lazy
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Johnson (a Democrat)
Premise #2 : the war on poverty helps black people
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The argument goes that certain areas of our life are too important to be monetized for shareholders, be it education, healthcare, national defense, conservation, or something else
Premise #3 : baconwaffle has no examples where public industries are better
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The big difference, however, is in quality of leadership.
Premise #4 : failure of leadership. But baconwaffle will bitch when companies compete against one another for the best leadership (ceo compensation)
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to answer your question, the military, for one
The US military has been around for over 220 years. But they dont invent/manufacture their own weapons, aircraft/transport/facilities. The greatness and advantages of the US military are private. America has great military families. But so does every country. America also has a military population that enlist because of a lack of opportunities.
I'm not convinced that the military's superiority isnt bought through the private sector.
If you want to agree to disagree with me, so be it.
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the military, for one
It sounds like that is the only one that you will stand behind and I argue the military greatness is bought with taxpayer dollars in the private sector.
The rest of that paragraph is drivel, imo.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 11:37 pm to meansonny
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Premise #3 : baconwaffle has no examples where public industries are better
You asked for one and I gave you it. You are suggesting that I think everything should be nationalized. Not true. I'm simply arguing that privatization of every sector is not the way; some sectors must be (or remain) nationalized. The longterm conclusion of full privatization is the end of nationalism and our country. National survival and private gain are not always aligned.
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The US military has been around for over 220 years. But they dont invent/manufacture their own weapons, aircraft/transport/facilities.
If you consider the military to be purely hardware and not its people. It's true that private industry contributes amazing weapons to the military; I'm not denying that. But I'm talking about the people who are going to be using those weapons downrange. But on the other hand, don't discount government R&D. Boeing, Lockheed, etc., still license a large number of patents that were developed by DARPA. And back on the other hand, for example, the F-35 is a flying dumpster fire, developed purely by the private sector. If we ever get in a force-on-force conflict, a lot of pilots are going to die in that piece of shite.
Please don't put words in my mouth. Rather than attacking me, let's just debate the merits.
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