re: OT: Corona Panic 2020

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It was implied. Don't try and play dumb now. Re-read your statement. If you want to clarify it now, that's fine. But you said what you said without any clarification or context. I have put no words in your mouth.

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LOL, no it wasn't.

WTF kind of rationale is this?

One of your first replies to me was you claiming I said "ALL" doctors. You even put the fricking word in caps.

Literally you came out the gate putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.

And your logic that it was implied is ridiculously flawed, which is why you're full of shite.

I said the 80,000 was inaccurate. I didn't say all 80,000 was fraud and bullshite. Which would be completely asinine. Not to mention, AGAIN, I included municipalities. Therefore, by default, this means not all doctors involved made bogus declarations because not every one of those 80,000 declarations involved a fricking MD.

Again, you do realize millions of people die every year and it didn't happen in a hospital where some MD declared time of death, right?

So it makes no sense to claim there was an "implied" "ALL doctors". So GTFO with that shite.

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As far as anyone on the outside of this is concerned, it's accurate. If 80k people have died while being COVID-positive, there's no way for us to know which ones MAY have died of something else. What we know is that they are dead and they had COVID. It is reasonable to assume that those facts are not coincidental. If you disagree, so be it.

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It's not that I disagree, it's that you clearly don't understand the concept that if "guesswork" is involved, and there's "no way for us to know which ones MAY have died of something else", then this also means we don't know which ones MAY have died of COVID, either.

I don't know how much might be fraud, that's why I didn't and still won't give a guess. And I've made that point clear from the beginning, too.

What I do know is the government is untrustworthy and has an absurdly long track-record of exploiting situations like this for an abusive political and economic agenda, there's a clear political narrative exploiting this situation permeating the Left and Leftwing media in favor of that number hopefully being as large as possible so it can be used as a narrative weapon, and there is a consistent tens of billions a year in healthcare fraud by doctors and hospitals who took the Hippocratic Oath.

For Christ's sake, NYC had a day a few weeks back where they added 3,700 cases out of the blue to their COVID death total number, and then admitted these were just "presumed COVID deaths", and that many of the people had simply been found dead at their homes/nursing homes/on the street(homeless) and weren't even tested and had not even seen a doctor for treatment.

The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive. - The New York Times

But yeah, so accurate. 3,700 un-fricking-tested, no doctor-seeing, "presumed" COVID deaths.

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You didn't say they were "a little off" on the numbers.

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I didn't say ANY number, you jackwagon.

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You have implied (and even here now, outright stated) that the numbers we have are the result of rampant corruption and deception in order to pad the pockets of hospital administrators.

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No I fricking didn't "outright state" shite. And I never used the word "rampant" either.

I even explained to someone else that there was 3-10% attributed to fraud in healthcare by the FBI and OBA. In what fricking universe is 3-10% "rampant" and implies "ALL"?

And you don't think you're putting words in my mouth???

You got a fricking screw loose, dude.

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Just tell me what constitutes a COVID death for you. That's the only question that needs to be answered here. You tell me what a person has to die of for it to be classified as a COVID death.

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Why do I have to do this? WTF does this have to do with me saying the 80,000 number is likely inaccurate and you insisting I'm wrong for saying that?

I clearly pointed at people with pre-existing conditions and people with extenuating circumstances (car accident, homeless, morbidly obese, 95 years old... remember my examples?). This alone is more proof that I wasn't possibly implying "ALL", as it's obvious not every COVID death involved a person with pre-ex or extenuating circumstances.

If you're accusing me of "implying" anything, look no further than there, where I very obviously listed sub-standard examples.

Because you know what that implies? It implies I'm only talking about fricking sub-standard examples, and not "ALL".

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You can't spend your entire life thinking that everyone is intentionally lying to you. I have no issue with being skeptical. But give or take, I believe the numbers being put out are a good-faith representation of what's going on until someone can produce some compelling evidence that doesn't involve anecdotal stories or outliers.

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Again with the hyperbole.

I don't think "everyone" is intentionally lying to me.

Why are you constantly using extremes to try and make your arguments?

I believe the Left is trying their best to inflate the number of COVID deaths because they think they can use that to demean Trump and anyone who doesn't side with them.

I believe not all doctors and hospitals are honest and there absolutely is exploitation of the CARES Act for profit. And btw, by saying "not all" does NOT mean I'm saying the extreme opposite. It just means "not all". So don't be a tard and make a bullshite "you implied" claim again.

And I believe the government, especially the Democrats and anti-Trumpers, are trying to make this entire situation appear and feel worse than it really is because they think it will allow them to propagate a negative narrative and hopefully get rid of Trump in November.

And if Trump wins again, I am 1000% certain they will try to use something in this to manufacture another set of hearings and possibly impeachment trials. So they need this shite to appear as bad as possible. And if you watch the Lefty media, it's beyond obvious they are trying to do this. Which means none of these number can definitively be trusted, and calling them inaccurate is perfectly reasonable.


And for anyone to act like this is unreasonable or conspiratorial is naive as frick. They'd have to have been asleep the past 3 years, or they're simply a dishonest leftist hack.

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And let's be clear. I have not once called you a dolt. I don't even think I've called you a name yet. But I am simply making an observation when I tell you that your post, to which I originally responded, read like a Facebook meme. And I stand by that. Personally, I wouldn't get bent out of shape and uber-offended by that. You keep this up and you'll die of a heart attack and be labeled a COVID death according to your order of things.

Dude, chill out. We don't agree. It's fine. Nothing for you to raise your blood pressure over. Take a break. I am.

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LOL, don't you worry about me. There are people on this forum who know me IRL, and they laugh everytime they see me post because they no "angry Beef" is just my Rant shtick.

You're not the first to get the wrath of my profanity laced rage posts and you certainly won't be the last.