Way to battle on the road

For real this time though. Played much better. Couple bad turnovers and we shot 20 less free throws.

I’m with 808 on this one. Moral victories are dumb.

Just another tally in the L column.

Cute how you were quiet during the game though...Officiating was really terrible. In contrast Michigan State and IL were actually allowed to play in the BIG. 34 to 13 FT attempts.

Moral victories can be dumb, but can also be telling with young teams. You can take it how you want.

A loss is a loss, and I have watched every game this season and will continue to be a huge fan/supporter, but we have a real problem..

Martin needs guys to transfer. You can only do so much skill work with a player before you chalk it up as they don't fit my system or they peaked. Watson can't dribble or pass- with below average defense. His shot is not good enough to make up for the lack of the rest of his game. Akongo is just a wasted scholarship.

Now as for Mitchell Smith, Parker Braun they try and care and can be good spot minute guys. Love the work ethic they bring but that is as much as should be asked of them with some occasional scoring from Mitchell Smith.

Kobe, Pinson, Jackson, pickett, Mark Smith, Dru Smith, and Tilmon are guys that fit Martins system and have athletic ability. You can't win without everyone fitting your system or having superior athletic ability to make up for you not being the perfect fit. These guys can win- 3 of them are currently hurt, two of them are taken off the court as soon as they make a mistake and the other works his butt off always.

Martin is very close to getting a team that can win a lot of games, but he's missed on too many guys not being his fit and then doesn't seem to want to play the pure athletes coach them through the mistakes. He sits players to fast and doesn't give enough learn time. Martin to me has seemed to start seeing the team trend in the right direction with these athletes playing major minutes and learning on the fly. If we have tilmon and mark smith back and giving watson the boot for mark, and taking some minutes from mitchell smith and Nikko- (who has been great btw) and put in tilmon and I believe this team is headed the right way. But the trick is martin needs watson, akongo, and possibly braun to leave and chalk it up as goodluck next place you go we just aren't the right fit for each other and see if we can get better athletes guys that can actually move well and teach your system as you go.. (cough cough like tray jackson, kobe brown, pinson)

He just needs to bulk up a bit.

I'll say it again, your team isn't going to be very good if Mitchell Smith is getting 25 minutes. Our talent level is simply not there. If I were putting together a tourney team (not a championship team), there is probably 1 or 2 players on this team that would see the floor.

As much as I agree with the positive things said about Nikko, he wouldn't be on a tourney caliber team.

As much as I agree with the positive things said about Mitchell Smith, he wouldn't be on a tourney caliber team.

I could go on and on but the bottom line is that we don't have the talent. Period. And we don't play cohesive team basketball to make up for the lack of talent. All of that falls on Martin's shoulders.

I’d say they actually played a very good team game vs LSU but you are correct in that they usually don’t. Far from it in fact, and yeah, the talent is lacking. That’s why we get these huge foul disadvantages vs the athletic teams.

Not true, if you watched that game the foul discrepancies were not athletically based. BS