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re: Ranking the 1-Loss Playoff Teams by Quality Wins
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:36 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:36 pm to BHMKyle
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So what you are telling me is that programs like Alabama always get the benefit of the doubt. That's kind of exactly what I've been saying.
The thing is, they weren't. No one thought Wisconsin belonged in the Playoff once they lost to Ohio State. And immediately following the game, every talking head at ESPN framed the debate as between Alabama and Ohio State. I wonder why?
It's not just Alabama - it's also Ohio State and now Clemson.
If Clemson was Baylor or TCU or Utah with their undefeated record, schedule and conference strength..........do you think they'd just be clearly written in to the playoffs right now? I don't.
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If Ohio State > Wisconsin.... and Wisconsin = Alabama, then Ohio State is obviously > Alabama
Yet everyone wants to pretend you're a conspiracy theorist for proposing such a notion. It's actually quite obvious to me.
No one had a problem with Ohio State coming in ahead of Wisconsin despite the fact that OSU had 2 losses. No one even contemplated that morning whether OSU would be ahead of Wisconsin. Everyone knew Ohio State would be in the #4 or #5 spot.
So if no one had a problem with OSU being ahead of Wisconsin despite an extra loss, why does everyone have a problem with them being ahead of Bama?
Ohio State had proven that their best was very very good, but they'd also proven their worst was dog shite. And they threw out their "worst" performances more than a few times.
Not to mention, these people have eyes. They've seen Wisconsin and their cousin Michigan State play Alabama types. They lose. Every time. And most of the time, they lose badly. And this isn't "I watch one team on one TV and another on another TV and one looks better".......they've seen Wisconsin and other teams like Wisconsin play teams like Alabama/Ohio State over the last 5 years and it never goes well. Ever.
Is that completely fair? Maybe not, but Wisconsin hadn't beaten anybody elite (and still hasn't, FWIW) to prove to people they belonged. And Michigan State's trip in 2015 did not do them any favors, either.
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 4:46 pm
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It's not just Alabama - it's also Ohio State and now Clemson.
There's definitely a hierarchy for sure.... Alabama is at the top ahead of Ohio State though, as evidenced by 2017.
I thought the Committee made a mistake in 2014 to put Ohio State ahead of TCU and/or Baylor. Again, it all comes down to $$$.
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If Clemson was Baylor or TCU or Utah with their undefeated record, schedule and conference strength..........do you think they'd just be clearly written in to the playoffs right now? I don't.
I don't know. Clemson obviously gets the benefit of the doubt, whether its deserved or not. But it does at least help that Clemson is undefeated. If Clemson had lost to North Carolina, then I do not believe they'd be currently ranked in the Top 4. I really don't. I don't think Clemson can afford any loss if they want to make the playoff. Not with that schedule.
But if a team like Clemson runs the table, they deserve a spot as an unbeaten Power 5 Champ.
At some point, teams should be punished for playing soft schedules.... especially if they have a loss. If Clemson has one blemish on their record this season, they don't deserve to go. I feel the same way about Alabama. If you are going to play a schedule that produces a resume that does not include a Top 15 win and only one Top 25 win, you don't deserve a spot in the Playoff unless you run the table.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 5:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Not to mention, these people have eyes. They've seen Wisconsin and their cousin Michigan State play Alabama types. They lose. Every time.
Yes. I agree. But I've also been told with assurance from ESPN and the Committee chair that past season results have zero bearing. Is that just BS they are spewing?
I get "eye test". The problem is "eye test" will always whitewash over merit.
Alabama could lose 3 games this season... maybe even 4... and everyone would still pick them to beat a 12-1 BIG 12 Champ, Baylor. Should we just keep Alabama in that Top 4 no matter how many times they lose in a season? Should they stay in the Top 4 even if they have 3 losses? Because "eye test" says we should do just that.
At some point "eye test" becomes completely unfair. Everyone else fails the eye test if the merit is not there. But Bama.... and usually only Bama.... is given the eye test trump card despite there being no merit on the resume.
That's why they got into the BCS Title Game in 2011. That's why they got into the Playoff in 2017. That's why they are ranked well ahead of a team like Penn State currently.
That's why anyone who thinks an 11-1 Alabama gets left out this year is a fool.
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