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Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:55 pm to scrooster
Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:55 pm to scrooster
My point about the 3 football championships in the last 6 years was to point out that the ACC has vastly improved in football in recent years. I'm not arguing that ACC football has matched the SEC in the last 10-20 years. I was responding to the comment that the ACC has consistently failed to even improve.
If you want to bring in the non revenue sports for comparison, I'll be happy to do so. The ACC has dominated in men's and women's soccer. Soccer is a much bigger and more popular sport than track and field and softball. UNC has won 21 women's soccer titles and feature 7 players currently playing in the World Cup. ACC dominates in lacrosse and many other sports. Check out the top 20 in the Director's cup each year and you will see numerous ACC teams.
UVA, UNC, Duke, BC and others feature 28 NCAA sports. Other than Florida, can any other SEC team compare in supporting that many teams? Of course not.
If you want to bring in the non revenue sports for comparison, I'll be happy to do so. The ACC has dominated in men's and women's soccer. Soccer is a much bigger and more popular sport than track and field and softball. UNC has won 21 women's soccer titles and feature 7 players currently playing in the World Cup. ACC dominates in lacrosse and many other sports. Check out the top 20 in the Director's cup each year and you will see numerous ACC teams.
UVA, UNC, Duke, BC and others feature 28 NCAA sports. Other than Florida, can any other SEC team compare in supporting that many teams? Of course not.
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:08 pm to dlc83
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Check out the top 20 in the Director's cup each year and you will see numerous ACC teams
This year both had 5, but last year there were 7 SEC teams in the top 20, 4 for the ACC. The year before that it was 6 to 3 in favor of the SEC.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:39 pm to dlc83
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My point about the 3 football championships in the last 6 years was to point out that the ACC has vastly improved in football in recent years.
I will give credit where credit is due but consider the following.....
Before UNC vs Duke in basketball it was UNC vs NC State and it was Case who started Tobacco Road at NC State.
ACC lucked out when none of the old Big 3 wanted their rights (ABC / CBS / NBC) but a young upstart needed 24 / 7 content so bad they signed up the ACC. The upstart was ESPN and the ACC benefitted greatly from this.
Before UNC vs Duke the must see matchup every year from the 30's to the 80's was UK vs IU. Old Hoosier Dome was packed in an era where getting 10K to a game was a big deal.
Besides the luck of the ESPN deal the biggest gain for the ACC was the B1G and PAC messing up realignment advantages.
In the first round the B1G missed the boat by not getting Notre Dame with Penn State to go to 12 and a CCG. SEC took the lesser schools of Arkansas and South Carolina and got the SEC CCG. At least the ACC leadership was smart enough to use that to add some teams and stayed alive.
In the second round the B12 let itself get shaken by the B1G (getting Nebraska) and the PAC (getting Colorado) and both were smart enough to add CCG's. SEC was the biggest overall winner in realignment but I would say the ACC finished 2nd by taking the teams the B12 did not grab first (Boston College, Syracuse, and Louisville) but the big feather in their cap was landing Notre Dame an vastly improving their footprint and value.
Going into the last realignment the ACC and BE were DOA but yet here the ACC has not only survived but thrived.
Pre 2010 alignment (depth from top to bottom)
Power conferences = #1 SEC and #2 B12
Struggling conferences = B1G / PAC / ACC / BE
Post 2010 alignentt (depth from top to bottom)
Power conferences = #1 SEC and #2 ACC
Struggling conference = B12
Semi dead conferences = B1G and PAC (no depth past 1 or two teams)
In the modern world you need at least 1/2 dozen viable teams across the primary sports to fill airtime with viewable content. The SEC fills this in spades, while the ACC (including Notre Dame) has up their viewing content.
Going forward these seem to be the broadcast sports where at least 6 teams in a conference have to be good enough to fill the TV slots.
Football
M basketball
W basketball
Baseball
Softball
Gymnastics
Beneath that you have buildable audiences in
Soccer (M&W)
Lacrosse (M&W)
Hockey (in suitable markets)
After that the Natty's are nice but not high drivers to fill network content in either demand or space. Ie ESPN may show NCAA T&F but not much programming leading up to it.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:01 pm to dlc83
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My point about the 3 football championships in the last 6 years was to point out that the ACC has vastly improved in football in recent years. I'm not arguing that ACC football has matched the SEC in the last 10-20 years. I was responding to the comment that the ACC has consistently failed to even improve.
I get it but you're talking about two teams, one of which is now a dumpster fire in FSU. The ACC has one really good team in Clemson.
Conversely the SEC always has two or three really good teams with another half dozen that are capable of beating anyone on any given Saturday ... especially at home or on a neutral field.
The ACC has a long ways to go to becoming a solid top to bottom football conference.
#Nb4UVAbeatSC in Charlotte.
I do believe the ACC is endeavoring to get there but the ACC league office jumped the gun two summers ago having their coaches toe the talking points line that they had caught-up-to or surpassed the SEC in football.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 5:03 pm to dlc83
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If you want to bring in the non revenue sports for comparison, I'll be happy to do so. The ACC has dominated in men's and women's soccer. Soccer is a much bigger and more popular sport than track and field and softball. UNC has won 21 women's soccer titles and feature 7 players currently playing in the World Cup. ACC dominates in lacrosse and many other sports. Check out the top 20 in the Director's cup each year and you will see numerous ACC teams.
I'm pretty sure that the SEC only has two men's soccer teams ... SC and Kentucky I think.
Women is just now cranking up much like men's basketball for the SEC but women's SEC soccer will be ultra competitive in this coming decade, if not dominant.
We don't do Lacrosse down here but we should. SC has had a club since our ACC days and just won the club championship this year.
UNC has carried the ACC pretty much in Directors Cup Standings for awhile now.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:16 am to dlc83
quote:As a whole conference, this is false.
point about the 3 football championships in the last 6 years was to point out that the ACC has vastly improved in football in recent years
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