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re: Haselwood's comments about our staff
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:51 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:51 pm to FooManChoo
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If you want to point to Fromm losing us the games against Bama because of his feet, then please show me your case. As it stands, I've dissected the games several times and have been unable to see where Jake Fromm was the problem that cost us a national championship and another shot at one. As it stands, Jake Fromm in his youth has played very well considering going up against the best and 2nd best team in the country back-to-back seasons and that he was more than capable of helping our team win. Our losses are not on him and having a Justin Fields back there wouldn't necessarily help things either.
I am not talking about losing games, but rather not winning them. The QB usually needs to make plays to win close games vs tough teams, and that includes plays when pressure is applied and no one is open. Getting that extra yard to move the chains can make all the difference in the world. If Fromm had the extra element of dangerous legs, I imagine it would have helped a lot, at least enough to win both games vs Bama.
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:03 pm to djsdawg
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If Fromm had the extra element of dangerous legs, I imagine it would have helped a lot, at least enough to win both games vs Bama
Of course it would help, but he also made some throws that not a lot of QBs would make. That throw to Mecole in the National Championship game was unbelievable. The one to Swift on the last drive was a thing of beauty.
I think that it’s completely absurd that we’re blaming Fromm for those two games.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 2:14 pm to djsdawg
quote:Semantics. When you criticize the QB for not doing enough to win a game, you are saying he's culpable for the loss and deserving of criticism for that loss. The result is the same.
I am not talking about losing games, but rather not winning them.
quote:Not necessarily. Sometimes an outstanding receiver takes over. Sometimes its a running back. Sometimes it's actually the defense that steps up and wins a game. Other times it's an outstanding special teams play that makes the difference. And yes, sometimes it's the quarterback play. You can't make a blanket statement that when a game is close, it's incumbent on the QB to be that difference maker. Sometimes a QB is doing all he can do but isn't getting help elsewhere. It's why you have to look at specifics instead of throwing blame generically at the QB because he's the face of the offense. It's ignorant and unproductive.
The QB usually needs to make plays to win close games vs tough teams, and that includes plays when pressure is applied and no one is open.
quote:It can, yes. The same can be said for receivers and running backs. I've seen "the slide" called out specifically as an example where Fromm didn't go that extra mile, and as I've said several times, it was the smart move in that situation. If it were 3rd or 4th down, Fromm should have done whatever he could to get that extra yard, but on 2nd down, he did his job and was relying on the coaches and his other players to help convert on the next play. You keep forgetting about the team aspect to football, it seems.
Getting that extra yard to move the chains can make all the difference in the world.
quote:Maybe. Maybe not. If he was quicker on his feet, he might have been tempted to take off and run more, which could have resulted in injury. You never know what can happen, which is why playing the what-if game is rather pointless.
If Fromm had the extra element of dangerous legs, I imagine it would have helped a lot, at least enough to win both games vs Bama.
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