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The blindside sack of Tua was an optional blitz based on offensive tendencies
Posted on 1/9/19 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 6:57 pm
It was a called option blitz based on something Venebles and Co. saw on tape. The corner who blitzed was not in position to blitz until the receiver he was covering went in motion and stopped at the end of line. The blitz then went inside of the tackle. Away from the hot route RB.
In other words, we ran that formation with that WR motion and route tree too often. And they knew Tua does not like the dump off. Preferring to trust his feet and arm to make the big play over the smart play.
That being said, Tua has got to recognize what is going on right there. There is no excuse to only look in one direction at the snap, that hard, unless you have the hot route set and the ball is leaving your hands instantly.
Also, when they showed the replay from behind Tua, Jacobs is wide open down the sideline. Tua just didn't have time to get the ball out. If the RB stayed in PP, that might have been a touchdown.
In other words, we ran that formation with that WR motion and route tree too often. And they knew Tua does not like the dump off. Preferring to trust his feet and arm to make the big play over the smart play.
That being said, Tua has got to recognize what is going on right there. There is no excuse to only look in one direction at the snap, that hard, unless you have the hot route set and the ball is leaving your hands instantly.
Also, when they showed the replay from behind Tua, Jacobs is wide open down the sideline. Tua just didn't have time to get the ball out. If the RB stayed in PP, that might have been a touchdown.
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:19 pm to VaBamaMan
This is the kind of thing I expect Enos to fix.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:22 pm to Evolved Simian
He never looked left when Najee was open. Wasn’t Evans flagged on a similar play against Watson?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:24 pm to VaBamaMan
The hot route was the under cross which was wide open.
Tua loke always unless he is forced to throw the shorter routes ignores them preferring to throw it deep.
Another issue with Tua is he doesn't diagnose secondary adaptations after the snap. He takes his pre-snap look then bases his decisions specifically off of that. Hence why they kept baiting him to make mistakes.
It wasn't even complex. They used corner blitzes and ILB blitzes. Then they from time to time with camoflouge their coverage. They would press like man cover two, then at the snap back out to some kind of zone to hawk the middle of the field and vice versa.
Tua would just base his reads primarily off of his pre-snap read. That has to change because that is some freshman level shite. You can't last a year in the NFL doing shite like that.
Tua loke always unless he is forced to throw the shorter routes ignores them preferring to throw it deep.
Another issue with Tua is he doesn't diagnose secondary adaptations after the snap. He takes his pre-snap look then bases his decisions specifically off of that. Hence why they kept baiting him to make mistakes.
It wasn't even complex. They used corner blitzes and ILB blitzes. Then they from time to time with camoflouge their coverage. They would press like man cover two, then at the snap back out to some kind of zone to hawk the middle of the field and vice versa.
Tua would just base his reads primarily off of his pre-snap read. That has to change because that is some freshman level shite. You can't last a year in the NFL doing shite like that.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:26 pm to Evolved Simian
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This is the kind of thing I expect Enos to fix.
To be honest you are correct.
Tua didn't really progress as a QB in my opinion. He's the same gambler/gunslinger who wants to hold the ball and force deep as he was last year.
He still doesn't want to throw the checkdown or the safe first down and prefers to take unnecessary risk.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:28 pm to YStar
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The hot route was the under cross which was wide open.
My point was he never looked for the hot route or the dump off.
But the blitz was still our coaches getting outcoached. It wasn't solely on Tua.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:52 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:it's not Enos so much as the horde of full time and hired gun, part time analysts on staff that should be disecting our own tape to make the OC and DC aware of their own tendencies
This is the kind of thing I expect Enos to fix.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:57 pm to Che Boludo
Tua got away with it all year. I’m sure Enos has been trying to coach him up just like he’s done with Jalen but Tua is obviously going “yeah, sure Coach...I got this.” He’s got to learn from this. The cat is out of the bag now and every SEC team will try to bait him into the same ill advised throws.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:07 pm to VaBamaMan
Exactly. The coaches should have been telling him What to do. Not just allow him to sling it all over the place.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:15 pm to YStar
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Tua didn't really progress as a QB in my opinion.
I think splitting first team reps with Jalen all season during practice slowed his development. Gary Danielson mentioned this three different times this season.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:46 pm to VaBamaMan
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The blindside sack of Tua was an optional blitz based on offensive tendencies
Actually said this during the game and I have little technical knowledge of the game. He wasn't blitzing until the motion brought him in. Was another lesson Venables taught Tua during the clinic. Our self scoutint should have picked up on this.
Tua missed on a few busted coverages(maybe intentional gambles) during the game.
I've always thought sports was a balance between executing and luck. What if you execute the play perfect for a given pre/post snap read but the defender busts a coverage and is out of position but you throw it to him? Did you get beat or did you get RNG'd.
On the plus side we have a QB that's that technical about his job. We will have a veteran QB/wr corp next year and that should be able to play the cat and mouse games with the DB/DC.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:47 pm to YStar
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To be honest you are correct.
Tua didn't really progress as a QB in my opinion. He's the same gambler/gunslinger who wants to hold the ball and force deep as he was last year.
He still doesn't want to throw the checkdown or the safe first down and prefers to take unnecessary risk.
So that begs the question: Is Enos really the QB whisperer everyone makes him out to be?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:54 pm to YStar
Does any have any blogs or books on defense responsible and packages and defensive philosophy? I'm currently nerding out CCIE material so I could probably pick it up pretty fast.
Maybe we could have more play break posts.
Maybe we could have more play break posts.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:57 pm to FairhopeTider
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So that begs the question: Is Enos really the QB whisperer everyone makes him out to be?
Exactly... folks acting like he wasn't the QB coach all season. The issue is mindset, IMO. Hopefully Tua can show some progress in the taking what the defense is giving you or throw the ball away department.
I also agree with you guys that have been mentioning the self-scouting. It's like we didn't have anything prepared on either side of the ball. Maybe losing all those analysts over the years is finally came back to bite us. Heck, Saban said himself that Clemson was doing stuff that other teams had success with (but we didn't prepare for).
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:59 pm to ApeDeuce
Yeah no way clemson worked on ND the whole time or half the time. 3 weeks bama 4 days ND.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:01 pm to Gustave
And while we are discussion the game, the pick 6 was on Tua no the baiting. If he puts that ball outside the DB has go through Smith and Jeudy to intercept.
The bad pass changes the dbs angle to in front of Smith so no rub. Maybe a bait but a good pass probably gets 15 or 6.
The bad pass changes the dbs angle to in front of Smith so no rub. Maybe a bait but a good pass probably gets 15 or 6.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:07 pm to Gustave
Dabo probably popped in one tape of ND and stopped half way through and figured he'd beat them on talent alone and went by work on Bama
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:29 pm to MontyFranklyn
You can't look at Jalen's progress and not think Enos made a difference. The question becomes did Enos try to teach Tua and Tua just not listen or did Enos look at the results the first 14 games and let Tua do his own thing?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:53 pm to Gustave
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Maybe we could have more play break posts.
Regarding OP. Re-watched the play.
Pre-snap read was man coverage with the corner trailing the WR in motion. But when they showed the wide shot from the rear, the right side of the field where Tua was looking was in zone, and Jacobs was 10 yards behind the corner and 15 yards to the side of the safety.
I think seeing zone post snap is why he didn't throw the ball to Jacobs down the right sideline immediately. He thought he had missed someone, and was trying to make sure he didn't throw a pick.
Because with how quick his delivery is, and how quickly Jacobs found the hole in the zone, Tua could have had that ball out before the corner got to him if he was confident that he had accounted for everyone.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:14 am to FairhopeTider
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Is Enos really the QB whisperer everyone makes him out to be?
Too early to tell. Through 14 games, Tua really didn't have to listen to anything Enos said.
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