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re: How about this Auburn controversy
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:45 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:45 am to DawgsLife
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A team that apparently wants to hold prayer. That is what they are stopping.
Their very name says it all...Freedom FROM Religion.
If an organization were started called "Freedom From Islam" and they tried to stop Muslims from praying at schools or from school lunchrooms from observing Islamic dietary practices, what would you say? because the article I have linked to show where public schools are allowing these things. I haven't seen a single article saying the Freedom From Religion crowd is bringing suit against this.
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Muslim prayer in schools Why hasn't the Freedom From Religion Foundation weighed in? What about the American Civil Liberties Union? Their silence is peculiar. I suspect their reaction would have been a bit different had La Plata High School been baptizing children and forcing them to memorize John 3:16.
From a practical standpoint, the answer to this question was easy. FFRF acts on complaints from our members or members of the public, and no one had complained to us about this situation until it was already a lawsuit. But that is not the point Starnes wanted to make. He sought to make us appear biased and paint us as anti-Christian, rather than pro-separation of state and church.
FFRF in fact does take issue with the government promoting or favoring any religion, of course including Islam. Groups seeking to uphold the Constitution may appear to "target" Christians only because we "target" the violators. As the majority, Christians are simply more likely to violate the Constitution.
Pew Research numbers reveal that the U.S. Muslim population is at 1 percent, Jewish at 1.8 percent and Hindu at .7 percent. In contrast, self-identified Christians are at 70.6 percent.
FFRF accordingly receives very few complaints about Muslim violations. We receive very few complaints about Jewish, Hindu, Wiccan or other minority religious entanglements with government, either. When FFRF receives any bona fide complaint about any Establishment Clause violation, we research it and try to take action, depending on the facts and the legal precedent.
This is not just a question of numbers. Of course, the greater proportion of Christians in the population means there is a higher probability any given malefactor is Christian. But in a democracy, where government is structured so that majority rules on certain issues, it is usually the majority that will violate the rights of the minority. In fact, this is precisely why the Bill of Rights exists: to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.
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This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 9:47 am
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:49 am to Teague
FFRF has been targeting poorer cities that do the nativity scenes at the govt buildings as well. And it mostly works. The cities don’t have the money to battle in court, so they are strongarmmed into stopping.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:54 am to Teague
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From a practical standpoint, the answer to this question was easy. FFRF acts on complaints from our members or members of the public, and no one had complained to us about this situation until it was already a lawsuit. But that is not the point Starnes wanted to make. He sought to make us appear biased and paint us as anti-Christian, rather than pro-separation of state and church.
I wonder who complained about Auburn? I don't see anywhere where it was mentioned.
quote:Very few complaints...I haven't seen anywhere where even one action has been taken against these groups. If they act on complaints, then there should be lawsuits against these groups brought by the FFR.
FFRF accordingly receives very few complaints about Muslim violations. We receive very few complaints about Jewish, Hindu, Wiccan or other minority religious entanglements with government, either. When FFRF receives any bona fide complaint about any Establishment Clause violation, we research it and try to take action, depending on the facts and the legal precedent.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:32 am to Teague
The gist of this is what level of leadership is involved in pushing a certain religious system that could make players who do not want to be involved feel slighted or be treated differently.
I don't know exactly what I think specifically on this issue. I don't think it's the same as general "prayer in schools" or the government sanction of a certain religion (which is nothing but a show anyway and it is laughable to act like boilerplate governmental religious nonsense is in line at all with Christian principles).
I think college sports are a unique crossover as coaches are helping a kid deal with becoming an adult in a way almost no other "government employee" does. And, like it or not, to a lot of kids (especially in the south) part of their personal life is some level of Christianity. So, the question is how do you deal with that without hurting/alienating other kids who don't want to he involved with that. Personally I think that means individuals become involved in local churches, not having a religious advisor type on your football payroll.
I think there are probably a lot of schools who have figured that balance out that you don't hear about. And that is why you don't hear about them.
I don't know exactly what I think specifically on this issue. I don't think it's the same as general "prayer in schools" or the government sanction of a certain religion (which is nothing but a show anyway and it is laughable to act like boilerplate governmental religious nonsense is in line at all with Christian principles).
I think college sports are a unique crossover as coaches are helping a kid deal with becoming an adult in a way almost no other "government employee" does. And, like it or not, to a lot of kids (especially in the south) part of their personal life is some level of Christianity. So, the question is how do you deal with that without hurting/alienating other kids who don't want to he involved with that. Personally I think that means individuals become involved in local churches, not having a religious advisor type on your football payroll.
I think there are probably a lot of schools who have figured that balance out that you don't hear about. And that is why you don't hear about them.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 11:34 am
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