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Posted on 12/4/20 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by 88TIger
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/4/20 at 4:27 pm to
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think Cristobal did a great job at FIU considering his age

Campbell at Toledo
Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Toledo Rockets (Mid-American Conference) (2011–2015)
2011 Toledo 1–0 0–0 W Military
2012 Toledo 9–4 6–2 T–2nd (West) L Famous Idaho Potato
2013 Toledo 7–5 5–3 T–3rd (West)
2014 Toledo 9–4 7–1 T–1st (West) W GoDaddy
2015 Toledo 9–2 6–2 T–1st (West) Boca Raton*
Toledo: 35–15 24–8 * Departed Toledo for Iowa State before bowl game

Cristobol at FIU
Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
FIU Golden Panthers / Panthers (Sun Belt Conference) (2007–2012)
2007 FIU 1–11 1–6 7th
2008 FIU 5–7 3–4 T–5th
2009 FIU 3–9 3–5 6th
2010 FIU 7–6 6–2 T–1st W Little Caesars Pizza
2011 FIU 8–5 5–3 4th L Beef 'O' Brady's
2012 FIU 3–9 2–6 T–8th
FIU: 27–47 20–26

Being me...I think what Campbell did was a better job. He had more than one bad year. Even if we say the Sunbelt and the MAC are on par with each other. Looking at their conference records. 24-8 vice 20-26. So Mario had more games played in his tenure. (6 yrs vice 4) I tried to look at common opponents in their overlapping season which was 2012 but their wasn't one...however, Toledo barely lost to AZ in that year. So it looks like you prefer Cristobol while others may not. You may not like Campbell because of the loss this year early to the Cajuns but to me OSU loss is worse given how bad that team is regularly and the Cajuns do well in their conference with regularity and Napier is a good coach in his first stint as a head coach which is another name to really consider...
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
4482 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 5:04 pm to
I like Campbell better but Toledo is a much easier job than FIU. Toledo is a historically solid team while Cristobal took FIU to their first two bowl births in program history
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3599 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 5:06 pm to
You need to add a little bit of context to your analysis, which you'll find is actually pretty important.

FIU literally started playing football in 2002 - that was their first season EVER. Mario Cristobal inherited a team that went 0-12 the year prior to his arrival. Dan Strock, the coach that Cristobal replaced, never won more than 5 games in a single season and compiled an overall record of 15-41 (5-41 after the school vacated 10 wins due to NCAA sanctions under his tenure). To state that Cristobal walked into a complete basement dweller would be an understatement. In his 6 seasons at FIU, he achieved the first winning season in program history, as well as the school's first conference title. His 36% overall winning percentage at FIU looks really bad - but its actually considerably better than both the coach that he replaced (Dan Strock - 26%), as well as the coach that followed him (Ron Turner - 25%). His record is also significantly weighed down by that first 1-11 season, which again, came after inheriting a team on sanctions that had went 0-12 the year prior. Butch Davis would go on to post the first overall winning record at FIU in program history after he replaced Turner, but lets note that they're 0-5 this season and were only 6-7 last year. Even Butch Davis will likely finish his tenure with a losing record. The school is NOT easy to be competitive at in the least - as I'm sure you can understand for a program whose inaugural season came in 2002.

Now, what did Matt Campbell walk into at Toledo? The team was 8-5 and 9-4 (with a conference title berth) in the two seasons prior to Campbell getting the job under Tim Beckman, who wasn't fired - he left because he got hired UPWARDS at Illinois (ie: he was doing WELL at Toledo). So Campbell already inherited a winning program, and in actuality, Toledo has an entire history of being a pretty damn good program. Go look at Toledo's coaches - everyone thats coached there going all the way back to 1991 (I don't feel like looking any further) has posted an overall winning record. Gary Pinkel was there from 1991-2000 and his overall record was 73-37-3. Tom Amstutz followed that up with a 58-41 record, and Tim Beckman went 22-16.

Now, I actually like Matt Campbell as well and would have absolutely no problem with him as our coach as he looks to be very competent - but you can't just pull coaching records from two entirely different schools and pretend like there's no context that needs to also be looked at. Gus Malzahn's record would look completely different if hypothetically he took over Alabama next season, than it would if he took over Vanderbilt. There is no comparison to be made record-wise in comparing a coach who walked into an already winning team at, at a program with a long history of winning, to a coach that walked into an 0-12 situation at a program that started playing football 18 years ago. Cristobal's achievement at FIU is actually impressive - an 8-5 season might look like nothing special, but it is when the prior coach never even put up one winning season and left the team on sanctions.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17328 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 5:09 pm to
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You may not like Campbell because of the loss this year early to the Cajuns but to me OSU loss is worse given how bad that team is regularly and the Cajuns do well in their conference with regularity and Napier is a good coach in his first stint as a head coach which is another name to really consider...
Actually, I like Cristobal, Campbell and Napier. I think they are all capable of taking AU to a better place than would be possible with Gustav going forward.

My only argument in favor of Cristobal is that he has already accomplished something more significant (outright P5 conference title and NY6 bowl win) than either of the others.

And as I said before, Campbell strikes me as a Midwest guy, who would prefer the Big12 or B1G over the SEC, and would likely get a chance at one of the blue bloods there (OU if Riley leaves for the NFL, Texas or Michigan if/when the axe falls on their underachieving HCs).

Napier would likely be a good fit at AU. He knows the SEC and the recruiting territory, and has a solid pedigree (coached under Dabo and Saban). Only in his 3rd year, though, so it's possible he may be a flash in the pan.

Again, nothing we discuss here has any bearing so long as Gustav's contract terms loom over the program.
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