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Do you ever worry about Artificial Intelligence?
Posted on 9/13/18 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 9/13/18 at 8:07 pm
I kinda do. More and more as time goes.
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Posted on 9/13/18 at 8:37 pm to UMRealist
One of the guys in my office is super worried about AI. It seems like paranoia until he starts explaining it. Then everyone says "Skynet" repeatedly and we pretend that we aren't scared while changing the subject...
Posted on 9/13/18 at 8:40 pm to UMRealist
I worry more often about the lack of human intelligence.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 8:48 pm to UMRealist
What's to worry about? It's a natural evolution of intelligence. Biological intelligence has reached its zenith. Only AI can progress further.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 9:47 pm to Torch
AI is a great boogie-man for fiction.
In reality AI is one of mankind's greatest creations. The process of researching and creating and refining neural networks and machine learning has taught us so much about how our own minds work.
That says nothing about what AI already does for us. Nature scares the shite out me. We'll need all the technological might we can amass if we want to have a fighting chance at surviving the natural disasters that will inevitability revisit Earth.
Finally, if this does not comfort you then consider that Pandora's Box has been open for a long time. If you genuinely perceive AI to be a threat, then you must follow Sun Tzu's wisdom and Know Your Enemy! Your only option is to go get a PhD in Computer Science and start an AI research facility so that you can effectively combat this would be nemesis. I know, it's drastic, but you gotta do what you do to survive. You just can't frick around with existential threats.
In reality AI is one of mankind's greatest creations. The process of researching and creating and refining neural networks and machine learning has taught us so much about how our own minds work.
That says nothing about what AI already does for us. Nature scares the shite out me. We'll need all the technological might we can amass if we want to have a fighting chance at surviving the natural disasters that will inevitability revisit Earth.
Finally, if this does not comfort you then consider that Pandora's Box has been open for a long time. If you genuinely perceive AI to be a threat, then you must follow Sun Tzu's wisdom and Know Your Enemy! Your only option is to go get a PhD in Computer Science and start an AI research facility so that you can effectively combat this would be nemesis. I know, it's drastic, but you gotta do what you do to survive. You just can't frick around with existential threats.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:08 pm to UMRealist
I'm not scared yet because current AI still hasn't developed the ability to think. It's just programmed responses to different stimuli. The Chinese Room is a fun thought experiment to read about, and I recently played a game on Xbox called the Turing Test that's about this very subject.
You could pass Chinese messages to a robot under a door, and it could look up the correct response based on its programming. But it doesn't actually understand the messages, it's just outputs responding to inputs. You might think that the robot can "speak Chinese" in this scenario, but it doesn't understand it. That's the current gap AI is trying to span.
You could pass Chinese messages to a robot under a door, and it could look up the correct response based on its programming. But it doesn't actually understand the messages, it's just outputs responding to inputs. You might think that the robot can "speak Chinese" in this scenario, but it doesn't understand it. That's the current gap AI is trying to span.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 10:26 pm to UMRealist
Eh. Yes and no. I don't think artificial intelligence will ever really think like we do, or perceive life as we do. That being said their efficiency in solving problems is astounding, and many jobs will be automated in the future. I think the luddite craze of "we're being replaced" is often overdone, but at some point it's going to be extremely difficult to train an entire workforce to understand enough to contribute past where we've already gone.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:02 am to CoachMoorGut
Not really worried. Someone is going to weaponize it. Hope it’s the good guys, and that they stay good guys.
shite happens.
shite happens.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 6:52 am to UMRealist
Only when I'm looking at info pushed by left wingers
Posted on 9/14/18 at 7:14 am to UMRealist
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Do you ever worry about Artificial Intelligence?
No.....nor am I worried about human intelligence bc there's very little of it
Posted on 9/14/18 at 9:01 am to CoachMoorGut
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I think the luddite craze of "we're being replaced" is often overdone, but at some point it's going to be extremely difficult to train an entire workforce to understand enough to contribute past where we've already gone.
That would be my main concern. We are slowly moving to a workforce where humans are more and more redundant in daily work.
Suppose that all the fast food workers lost their jobs. Not all of them are going to become top flight engineers, neurosurgeons, or programmers. We have to find something for the rest of them to do.
Like you, I'm no Luddite, but society is slowly changing, much like it did at the start of the Industrial Revolution.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:58 am to Arksulli
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Like you, I'm no Luddite, but society is slowly changing, much like it did at the start of the Industrial Revolution.
At the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, the earth's population was about 700 million people. This was in 1750. A mere 268 years later the population stands at 7.6 billion, more than a tenfold increase.
We are at the dawn of the AI Revolution. Will its effect be as profound?
While AI does not represent the predator-like threat that weirdos like Elon Musk preach about, it does pose a problem for human laborers. As more and more people are replaced by machines, where do they go? What do they do?
With no jobs, do they keep reproducing? Who pays for their sustenance? Their offspring's care and rearing?
This is the societal conundrum we face as AI evolution quickens. What do we do with all the excess humans?
Will Soylent Green prove to have been a documentary? 40 billion people feeding off the remains of their dead?
Posted on 9/14/18 at 10:45 pm to Arksulli
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Suppose that all the fast food workers lost their jobs. Not all of them are going to become top flight engineers, neurosurgeons, or programmers. We have to find something for the rest of them to do.
I'm a pretty staunch capitalist but this very scenario is why I support UBI.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:12 pm to Kentucker
Ok, so this is kind of spinning off the chicken dinosaur thread but aren't we going to be able to advance ourselves PASSED robot functionality. Between cheap super foods and maybe genetically engineering wings (flying that doesn't burn fossil fuel) or even making ourselves smaller (engineer ourselves down to 3 or 4 feet maybe) human life could be cheaper and with gills and wings we could really expand our horizons.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 8:23 am to hogNsinceReagan
Yes, humans could be selectively bred to the amazing extent that dogs are now. In fact, people are inadvertently doing just that. Fat people are breeding with other fat people. Athletes are having children with other athletes. Poor, um, "less educated" people are mating with others of their status; and, conversely, intellectuals are reproducing with other high achievers.
Of course, not only "purebreds" are being produced in any of these chance groupings. Yet. However, given time they will just as chihuahuas produce only chihuahuas and great danes make other great danes.
In effect, selective breeding is taking place within earth's 7.6 billion people. It's somewhat hidden by the sheer numbers of people but it is definitely happening.
Will we turn to intentional selective breeding of the type you imply? Probably not. However, a machine society could possibly find it novel to breed humans the way we do with dogs currently. A twenty-fourth century Mexican Hairless might be a very different pet from that of the twentieth-first century.
Of course, not only "purebreds" are being produced in any of these chance groupings. Yet. However, given time they will just as chihuahuas produce only chihuahuas and great danes make other great danes.
In effect, selective breeding is taking place within earth's 7.6 billion people. It's somewhat hidden by the sheer numbers of people but it is definitely happening.
Will we turn to intentional selective breeding of the type you imply? Probably not. However, a machine society could possibly find it novel to breed humans the way we do with dogs currently. A twenty-fourth century Mexican Hairless might be a very different pet from that of the twentieth-first century.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 8:55 am to UMRealist
AI has the potential to have tremendous benefit for humanity, while at the same time, there is a potential for it to be used maliciously. With humanity's track record, yeah, it scares me.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 8:58 am to Stonehog
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I'm a pretty staunch capitalist but this very scenario is why I support UBI.
Hear, hear. I'm a dedicated capitalist as well but I think with the changes that are taking place as regards automation that moving to some form of Universal Basic Income in the future is likely.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 2:00 pm to UMRealist
Hell no. It just means that fast food restaurant service will improve. No more fricked up orders and guaranteed to speak english.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 2:01 pm to Kentucker
The answer you your graphic's question is the Democratic party.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:20 pm to Pavoloco83
Okay, but I think this issue, AI evolution, transcends politics.
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