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Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:57 pm to randomways
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:57 pm to randomways
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Bama was a 'sleeping giant' after Stallings and probation.
No offense, but I don't agree.
Bama has a national title in 1992, that is on another planet from where Clemson was four years ago or where A&M is today.
Plus Bama is one of those brands that needs a fifty year gap to take it down a peg. I wouldn't call Notre Dame a sleeping giant for the same reason, it is a program that anyone anywhere thinks could POSSIBLY win a national title.
Programs like A&M or Clemson in 2013 have people who deny its even possible to win a national title. That makes it hard to convince recruits it can happen and to sign with you over some other program.
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Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:06 pm to cardboardboxer
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No offense, but I don't agree.
Bama has a national title in 1992, that is on another planet from where Clemson was four years ago or where A&M is today.
Plus Bama is one of those brands that needs a fifty year gap to take it down a peg. I wouldn't call Notre Dame a sleeping giant for the same reason, it is a program that anyone anywhere thinks could POSSIBLY win a national title.
Programs like A&M or Clemson in 2013 have people who deny its even possible to win a national title. That makes it hard to convince recruits it can happen and to sign with you over some other program
I am offended, so I guess we're meeting behind Sonic. Just a warning, I'm a master of that Israeli martial art thing. The krav magneb? The crab mabed? Whatever it's called, I'm a 98.6 degree black belt.
My point is, there are always reasons why a particular program rises or falls, but the factors for a program becoming top-tier are pretty consistent. Yes, Bama and ND have history, but so do Army and Minnesota. There will always be reasons why a given program falls, never to rise again. Bama's return to the top was in no way inevitable. They could just as easily be mired in Tennessee-like mediocrity still. ND's recent renaissance (such as it is) also had to depend on pieces falling into place because one of the major reasons for their historical success was also one of the major (and generally irreversible) reasons for their decline, i.e. their national appeal was no longer unique to them in modern college athletics and communications.) There will always be blue-bloods that can't hack it any longer (see UTk_) and sleeping giants that can. Relying too heavily on history and tradition to define the tiers leads to Nebraska.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:18 pm to cardboardboxer
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Programs like A&M or Clemson in 2013 have people who deny its even possible to win a national title. That makes it hard to convince recruits it can happen and to sign with you over some other program.
I remember when Deshaun Watson committed to Clemson. People close to the program were saying he was the kind of player that would bring another championship to Clemson. I have to admit, I didn't take it seriously. Clemson had been out of that tier of serious contenders for so long it felt like they just didn't belong in those types of conversations.
A program like A&M is going to have to get a guy like Dabo that just won't take the way it's always been as the way it has to be. That dude has changed everything at Clemson.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:37 pm to cardboardboxer
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Programs like A&M or Clemson in 2013 have people who deny its even possible to win a national title. That makes it hard to convince recruits it can happen and to sign with you over some other program.
Clemson won a title in 1981.
THe whole 'Clemsoning' meme was based on the premise that many people do think Clemson has the ability to win titles and was underachieving.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 4:38 pm
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