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Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:31 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:31 am to DawgsLife
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Are you saying a basic value for life and morals are better or even as good today as they were 150 years ago? Things were not great or even good 150 years ago. They never have been and they never will be. But if your argument is things are as good or better morally than they were 150 years ago, there might be an awful lot of people that would argue that point with you.
I am saying that there is at least more freedom in the world today and less violence and discrimination perpetrated by those in power. That’s all I really care about. A lot of what people consider moral is up to the individual and not something I care much about.
I don’t care about some 30 y/o looking at boobs on the Internet when that wasn’t even possible 150 years ago. I don’t care about gay marriage, cheating spouses, gambling, etc., that many of the highly religious care about. But I do care about people facing systematic discrimination, violence, or being shipped off to war.
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Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:40 am to Globetrotter747
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A lot of what people consider moral is up to the individual and not something I care much about.
Sames. I hate using the term, "morals", because very seldom are they defined. The morals of which culture? In what era?
I bet the Khan was a very moral man according to the Mongols values and beliefs. Catapulting dead bodies, infected with the Black Death, into Kaffa was probably seen as a justified action by the Golden Horde
This post was edited on 4/12/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:47 am to Globetrotter747
Yeah. 150 years ago, we just ended our deadliest war, which was fought largely in part over the ability to own slaves. Blacks couldn't vote, women couldn't vote. I doubt that the raping of slaves was being accurately reported. A husband beating his wife was just him teaching her a lesson. Child labor laws were nonexistent. Etc., etc.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:09 pm to Globetrotter747
Trotter, I know we've gone around about this on the SEC Rant OT a few times, but let me ask you an honest question: Why do you feel compelled to argue against someone's beliefs?
It seems you struggle with acceptance.
Is Christianity so unacceptable to you, that it prevents you from having peace of mind? Does the fact that billions of people place all of their hope in Jesus seem so illogical and unreasonable to you that simply have to force them to see reason and logic? It seems you can have no serenity until you've argued against every case for Christ. That's a lot of time and effort to dispute something you don't even believe in.
Christianity is not logical. It teaches that everything in and of this world is contrary to the nature of God. Everything the world holds in esteem is detested by God. It asks us to believe, with certainty, what can't be seen, heard or touched.
But this is the very definition of "faith".
We don't know how or why we were chosen. He chose us, we didn't chose Him.
If you ever feel convicted of sin, or of being a sinner, study Jesus and His message. Don't get tripped up by all the clutter:
* Evil committed in His name by people proclaiming to be Christian.
* Indisputable, scientific proof of God's existence (there isn't any. He resides in and outside of space/time).
* Hypocrites in the church (they're everywhere).
Focus on the message.
It's about a relationship, not religion.
It seems you struggle with acceptance.
Is Christianity so unacceptable to you, that it prevents you from having peace of mind? Does the fact that billions of people place all of their hope in Jesus seem so illogical and unreasonable to you that simply have to force them to see reason and logic? It seems you can have no serenity until you've argued against every case for Christ. That's a lot of time and effort to dispute something you don't even believe in.
Christianity is not logical. It teaches that everything in and of this world is contrary to the nature of God. Everything the world holds in esteem is detested by God. It asks us to believe, with certainty, what can't be seen, heard or touched.
But this is the very definition of "faith".
We don't know how or why we were chosen. He chose us, we didn't chose Him.
If you ever feel convicted of sin, or of being a sinner, study Jesus and His message. Don't get tripped up by all the clutter:
* Evil committed in His name by people proclaiming to be Christian.
* Indisputable, scientific proof of God's existence (there isn't any. He resides in and outside of space/time).
* Hypocrites in the church (they're everywhere).
Focus on the message.
It's about a relationship, not religion.
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