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Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:19 pm to TDcline
I as a college band student was paid by the athletic department to play for people who were only there to watch the football team. It’s ridiculous that I was being paid and they are not.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 4:37 am to Dawgfanman
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Poor poor academically inept teens who can run fast and jump high are given access to an education well beyond what they deserve in exchange for playing a game they love..oh the horror.
"When I was 10 years old, I wrote an article for the local newspaper that asked me what school I wanted to go to and what I wanted to study. I said Purdue University in their school of Engineering. I didn’t know that one day I would actually be able to attend Purdue on an athletic scholarship. But I wouldn’t be able to go for Engineering. Neither would I be able to go for Athletic Training, my second choice, which I wanted to use to create a path into Physical Therapy School. I was told that the Engineering caseload and class schedule would not work, especially if I had dreams of playing. I was told I would not be able to receive my hours for Athletic Training because they were mostly during football season and spring practice. At that point, I was on my third choice which wasn’t even a choice.
I was literally just there to play football. Having two choices of my own was more than a lot of my teammates and friends at other schools could say as they were left undecided and thrown into General Studies, Communications or Organizational Leadership and Supervision. So while those on the outside are complaining of paying for school because that’s something they value, imagine getting something for free that you aren’t just not interested in, but also something you don’t really know what to do with it."
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 5:07 am to djsdawg
So many ignorant nitwits want to blow up college sports and turn it into pro sports all so kids can get paid. Give me a break with this “poor scholarship athlete” BS.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 9:16 am to pvilleguru
I did see where hockey does a better job with their minor leagues that baseball. However, let's face it...there are a lot more baseball and football players in the United States than Hockey players.
If you notice players in the highest minor league in hockey make about $42,387 a season. Add up what a college football player makes in tuition, books, food, lodging and see who comes out best. The lower leagues would make significantly less. The worst player on scholarship in college football gets what the best player gets. he gets the same tuition, books, and lodging and food. Not so for the hockey players...and then when you talk about the lowest league hockey players....
If you notice players in the highest minor league in hockey make about $42,387 a season. Add up what a college football player makes in tuition, books, food, lodging and see who comes out best. The lower leagues would make significantly less. The worst player on scholarship in college football gets what the best player gets. he gets the same tuition, books, and lodging and food. Not so for the hockey players...and then when you talk about the lowest league hockey players....
Posted on 3/16/18 at 9:25 am to pvilleguru
From your link:
Entry-level players in the ECHL, the lowest level of affiliated professional hockey, earn a minimum of $10,790 per season — almost double the annual salary that entry-level players earn in minor-league baseball. The ECHL per diem is $39 per day.
Let's not pretend that players in the minor leagues are better off than a college kid on scholarship. A college kid on scholarship probably gets $40,000 in tuition, $5,000-$6,000 in food, $10,000 in room, $2,000-$3,000 in books. Take that kid playing hockey making $10,000-$11,000 and he has to pay for food and lodging out of that.
Can you say, Ramin Noodles?
Entry-level players in the ECHL, the lowest level of affiliated professional hockey, earn a minimum of $10,790 per season — almost double the annual salary that entry-level players earn in minor-league baseball. The ECHL per diem is $39 per day.
Let's not pretend that players in the minor leagues are better off than a college kid on scholarship. A college kid on scholarship probably gets $40,000 in tuition, $5,000-$6,000 in food, $10,000 in room, $2,000-$3,000 in books. Take that kid playing hockey making $10,000-$11,000 and he has to pay for food and lodging out of that.
Can you say, Ramin Noodles?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 9:29 am to DawgsLife
It also said ECHL players are provided a room and utilities.
However, most players that make it to the NHL skip the ECHL. They tend to go straight to the AHL.
However, most players that make it to the NHL skip the ECHL. They tend to go straight to the AHL.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 9:30 am to DawgsLife
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If you notice players in the highest minor league in hockey make about $42,387 a season
Pretty sure that was the league minimum. I think it said the average salary was 90k.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 9:41 am to pvilleguru
I'm a Red Wings fan, and their ECHL affiliate is Toledo. Looking at Toledo's roster, I think they only have 2 players that have a contract with Detroit. 1 of them was a free agent and signed on a 1 year deal, the other was drafted in 2013 and has done very little when given chances in the AHL.
Grand Rapids (Detroit's AHL affiliate) has 17 players with a Detroit contract.
Grand Rapids (Detroit's AHL affiliate) has 17 players with a Detroit contract.
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 9:44 am to djsdawg
Thanks for the link.
Looks a lot like me when I was at that age faced with the same decisions. I chose the education over the sport and have felt looking back it was the correct decision.
The sad thing is Purdue is the Alabama or Ohio State of engineering. The 4 year degree in engineering from Purdue should be worth at least 75K to 150K a year for a bad one and 250K to 500K a year for a good one. In engineering a career from say 25 to 65 means a solid income stream over your entire working career. I am sadden if a good academic school like Purdue made the kid switch majors just to play ball. That is wrong on so many levels and seems the kid should have a very real legal challenge to get his ENG degree from the school.
Looks a lot like me when I was at that age faced with the same decisions. I chose the education over the sport and have felt looking back it was the correct decision.
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I didn’t know that one day I would actually be able to attend Purdue on an athletic scholarship. But I wouldn’t be able to go for Engineering.
The sad thing is Purdue is the Alabama or Ohio State of engineering. The 4 year degree in engineering from Purdue should be worth at least 75K to 150K a year for a bad one and 250K to 500K a year for a good one. In engineering a career from say 25 to 65 means a solid income stream over your entire working career. I am sadden if a good academic school like Purdue made the kid switch majors just to play ball. That is wrong on so many levels and seems the kid should have a very real legal challenge to get his ENG degree from the school.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 10:01 am to pvilleguru
There's roughly 713 players currently in the NFL (23 per team). At the start of this season there were only 66 players on the opening day rosters that had ever played in the ECHL. Comes out to roughly 9%.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 10:11 am to TDcline
The only fair way to do it is to base player compensation on coaches compensation. Major conference coach makes more than a small school coach because they bring in more revenue. So a player at a major school should make more than a tiny conference school and likely the Player at a small school should make nothing because they bring in so little revenue
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:32 pm to Quicksilver
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if you can give me a rational reason why any adult should not be able to profit off of their own likeness in a capitalist driven society while another institution makes billions off of them, i'd love it
Because the university is investing all of the money and time to provide everything for the student-athlete and is also assuming almost all of the risk. So why shouldn't the university be able to make the lion's share of the profits based on their investment and risk. And, why is it the university's fault that the student-athlete doesn't value appropriately what the university is providing for him?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:52 pm to sardog12
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Because the university is investing all of the money and time to provide everything for the student-athlete and is also assuming almost all of the risk.
What about the risk of injury?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:53 pm to RT1941
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Some folks see nothing wrong with college players doing just that.
You still haven't said what's wrong with it.
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Imagine how much Leonard Fournette, Laremey Tunsil, Johnny fricking Football, Calvin Ridley, Cam Newton, Derrick Henry, Todd Gurley, or the dozens of other star athletes could've raked in after their highlight reels from their Saturday performances. Tua could be an 18 yr old millionaire today just off his over time TD in the NC game 2 months ago. All he'd have to do is set up autograph sessions every weekend all across the state and he'd cash in big time
Ok.
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The whole idea is and will never be allowed.
Why is it crazy? Just saying it's crazy isn't an explanation.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:53 pm to sardog12
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And, why is it the university's fault that the student-athlete doesn't value appropriately what the university is providing for him?
Who's blaming the university?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:02 pm to sardog12
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Because the university is investing all of the money and time to provide everything for the student-athlete and is also assuming almost all of the risk
So if the player obliterates his knee and is not able to move on to the pros how is he compensated for future earnings lost?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:13 pm to Goldrush25
quote:It's wrong because goes against NCAA and conference rules that are in place at this time.
You still haven't said what's wrong with it.
quote:It's crazy to think the organizations that monitor, regulate, and oversee college athletics will ever allow student-athletes participating under the NCAA to get paid over and beyond their scholarship.
Why is it crazy? Just saying it's crazy isn't an explanation.
The NCAA is a voluntary organization made up of member institutions who set the rules and regulations that all member institutions must operate under. Then each program is a member of their own conference who also carry their own set of rules, guidelines, and regulations of operation.
This discussion raises its ugly head many times during the off season for various reasons. It's nothing more than filler material people occupy themselves with until the season mercifully starts.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:20 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Compensated for future earnings? What future earnings and what would the earnings be based on?
So if the player obliterates his knee and is not able to move on to the pros how is he compensated for future earnings lost?
Seriously, a college player blows out a knee/ankle (Tyrone Prothro/Marcus Lattimore) and ends their football career at the college level. On what basis could they expect to get compensated on future earnings when there is no way to measure what they might have done at the pro level if they even got drafted?
The best thing every athlete should do is take advantage of that free college education, get their degree and put it to use. Because there is no assurance that they will get a payout from the pro's if they stay 100% healthy or if they suffer a career ending injury.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:32 pm to RT1941
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Seriously, a college player blows out a knee/ankle (Tyrone Prothro/Marcus Lattimore) and ends their football career at the college level. On what basis could they expect to get compensated on future earnings when there is no way to measure what they might have done at the pro level if they even got drafted?
You just said that the school was assuming nearly all of the risk. That's clearly not true when it comes to an athlete that experts generally agree will be drafted.
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The best thing every athlete should do is take advantage of that free college education, get their degree and put it to use. Because there is no assurance that they will get a payout from the pro's if they stay 100% healthy or if they suffer a career ending injury.
Everyone isn't college material. That includes athletes that only go there because that's the path they have to take to get to the pros.
A lot of these guys would've had no interest in college if it weren't for sports so why are we pretending that education is a benefit for them?
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 1:42 pm
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