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Can someone be a contraian on Basket Ball, without being bashed?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:16 pm
If not, bash away....
I love watching Arkansas Basket Ball, and I love having Mike Anderson, hoping every year for major success. BUT!!!
Here we are in year 7 with the following information. Against several coaches hired since MA, and they are doing better than we are. It is year 7 folks... Missouri, Alabama, TAMU, and Tenner should not be better programs than Arkansas period.
I am aware that we have 6 games to go and haven't given up yet... But as was said in another thread, "We are discussing this in year 7". Confidence is lower than it should be at this time in MA's tenure...
Bracket Matrix Update - 2/12/18
% of Brackets Appearing in
Auburn - 100%
Tennesee - 100%
Texas A&M - 100%
Florida - 100%
Alabama - 100%
Missouri - 100%
Kentucky - 99% (73/74)
Arkansas - 97% (72/74)
Mississippi State - 11% (8/74)
LSU - 4% (3/74)
Average Seeding for Brackets Appearing in
#2 - Auburn (IN)
#4 - Tennessee (IN)
#6 - Kentucky (IN)
#6 - Texas A&M (IN)
#8 - Alabama (IN)
#8 - Missouri (IN)
#10 - Arkansas (IN)
#11 - Mississippi State (NEXT FOUR OUT)
#11 - LSU (OUT)
I love watching Arkansas Basket Ball, and I love having Mike Anderson, hoping every year for major success. BUT!!!
Here we are in year 7 with the following information. Against several coaches hired since MA, and they are doing better than we are. It is year 7 folks... Missouri, Alabama, TAMU, and Tenner should not be better programs than Arkansas period.
I am aware that we have 6 games to go and haven't given up yet... But as was said in another thread, "We are discussing this in year 7". Confidence is lower than it should be at this time in MA's tenure...
Bracket Matrix Update - 2/12/18
% of Brackets Appearing in
Auburn - 100%
Tennesee - 100%
Texas A&M - 100%
Florida - 100%
Alabama - 100%
Missouri - 100%
Kentucky - 99% (73/74)
Arkansas - 97% (72/74)
Mississippi State - 11% (8/74)
LSU - 4% (3/74)
Average Seeding for Brackets Appearing in
#2 - Auburn (IN)
#4 - Tennessee (IN)
#6 - Kentucky (IN)
#6 - Texas A&M (IN)
#8 - Alabama (IN)
#8 - Missouri (IN)
#10 - Arkansas (IN)
#11 - Mississippi State (NEXT FOUR OUT)
#11 - LSU (OUT)
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:30 pm to Razorback Reverend
I think sometimes the contrarians get griped at because they say exactly what's already been said time and time again. But they say it in an antagonistic way- as if the rest of us are thrilled with how the season has played out.
I too love Mike and Razorback basketball is my fave (over football). I too am not happy that we're in the position to hope we make the tourney instead of firmly in. I don't believe there's any reason for this team not to be at least a middle seeded team, not fighting for 10th.
I too love Mike and Razorback basketball is my fave (over football). I too am not happy that we're in the position to hope we make the tourney instead of firmly in. I don't believe there's any reason for this team not to be at least a middle seeded team, not fighting for 10th.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:46 pm to Razorback Reverend
I'm disappointed in mike for a lot of reasons listed. it just seemed like everyone was ready to riot and turn on him as soon as things went badly.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:47 pm to Razorback Reverend
I'd say that a program isn't based on one year so please lay out how those teams that you listed are better programs.
Along with that, Arkansas isn't what it was 25 years ago and might never be. Virginia is a better program than Arkansas now. There's nothing to draw a recruit to Fayetteville.
If infrastructure meant much then Duke would have never gotten off the ground.
I don't think that Mike is the issue but his assistants' lack of recruiting ability might be. We can't seem to consistently pull in the players that would consistently land us in the top 20.
Nolan had assistants that did that.
Along with that, Arkansas isn't what it was 25 years ago and might never be. Virginia is a better program than Arkansas now. There's nothing to draw a recruit to Fayetteville.
If infrastructure meant much then Duke would have never gotten off the ground.
I don't think that Mike is the issue but his assistants' lack of recruiting ability might be. We can't seem to consistently pull in the players that would consistently land us in the top 20.
Nolan had assistants that did that.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:56 pm to piggilicious
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exactly what's already been said time and time again. But they say it in an antagonistic way- as if the rest of us our thrilled with how the season has played out.
^^^^^^^^^
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:59 pm to piggilicious
makes total sense, it seems to get way too antagonistic at times.
I really do like MA. Dude is as authentic as it gets as a human being. Have been around him some and appreciate him.
Just wanting more..
I really do like MA. Dude is as authentic as it gets as a human being. Have been around him some and appreciate him.
Just wanting more..
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:00 pm to oklahogjr
no riot bro... not from me.
However, I dread next season with what we are losing in Macon and Barford. Hopefully we are a surprise.
Winning cures everything in college athletics, other than just blatant moral compass loss. See Penn State, etc...
However, I dread next season with what we are losing in Macon and Barford. Hopefully we are a surprise.
Winning cures everything in college athletics, other than just blatant moral compass loss. See Penn State, etc...
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:02 pm to cubsfan5150
that is part of my point man. I cant lay out the programs success, because most of them haven't had their coach long enough to judge long term.
Which irritates me. How is Rick Barnes, Pearl, even Andy Freaking Kennedy and Haith doing better than MA, when he has had 7 years>?
Not trying to pick a fight with anyone, it just seems a bit odd to me...
Which irritates me. How is Rick Barnes, Pearl, even Andy Freaking Kennedy and Haith doing better than MA, when he has had 7 years>?
Not trying to pick a fight with anyone, it just seems a bit odd to me...
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:09 pm to Razorback Reverend
We will make the sweet 16.
You negative Nancy's need to do something productive.
You negative Nancy's need to do something productive.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:30 pm to pioneerbasketball
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We will make the sweet 16.
It should be easy to make the sweet 16 of the NIT. The first round should be in the Bud if anything.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:06 pm to cubsfan5150
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I'd say that a program isn't based on one year so please lay out how those teams that you listed are better programs.
Along with that, Arkansas isn't what it was 25 years ago and might never be
What if we judge Arkansas basketball to it's former self in the past? Not just the Nolan era, but the entire 20 year span that began with Sutton? Is that fair?
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Virginia is a better program than Arkansas now. There's nothing to draw a recruit to Fayetteville.
Virginia had some good teams with Ralph Sampson, but I don't think recruiting is the problem here.
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If infrastructure meant much then Duke would have never gotten off the ground.
This is a great point. I don't know if it's different with football, but it's never seemed like success in basketball had much to do with infrastructure. Maybe because you have fewer players?
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I don't think that Mike is the issue but his assistants' lack of recruiting ability might be. We can't seem to consistently pull in the players that would consistently land us in the top 20.
Nolan had assistants that did that.
Are you sure about that? I don't remember Nolan's assistants ever doing much and that includes MA. A couple of his early assistants were hyped and got their own head gig, but they never did much with it. Recruits never seemed to mention them and I always thought that was strange.
Regardless, recruiting and hiring good assistants is part of the head coaching job. MA is a great guy, and I don't think he's a bad recruiter, either. But he's just not a great head coach, imo.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:28 pm to redeye
No matter how far we go the truth is our assistant coaches are not much better than GAs.
Nobody else wants them...nobody else will ever talk to them...and they really don't do much.
Mike doesn't have what he was to Nolan. Personally...I think that's the biggest issue behind our head scratching play.
Nobody else wants them...nobody else will ever talk to them...and they really don't do much.
Mike doesn't have what he was to Nolan. Personally...I think that's the biggest issue behind our head scratching play.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:48 pm to Rzrbackguy
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Mike doesn't have what he was to Nolan. Personally...I think that's the biggest issue behind our head scratching play.
Tbh, that could be true and I wouldn't know, because I don't follow basketball closely any more. I'll just say that I was surprised by the success Mike had at Missouri, because as much as I'd wanted him to continue Nolan's success here, I couldn't see it happening.
But if he hires better assistants and they start winning more, then I'd be thrilled.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:52 pm to Razorback Reverend
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Not trying to pick a fight with anyone, it just seems a bit odd to me...
3 or the 4 you mention are playing in practically brand new arenas.
All four have had basketball only operations centers (IPF, academic center, etc) for a while now as well.
It really isn't that odd when the thought that Arkansas demphasized basketball was being backed up by the administrations actions. You hear about how the coaching fraternity is small and they all know each other and talk to one another, well what do you think they were talking about? You don't want to go to Arkansas, they don't really care about basketball, etc.
Mike has basically been asked to right a decade of wrong, one of the things he was promised when he was in negotiations was the operations center would be completed by his 2nd year, instead it was pushed behind so a baseball IPF could be completed, really doing yourself a favor by continuing the perception there by placing secondary sports ahead of your 2nd largest revenue producer...
So the thought is he has not turned the program back around fast enough, yet he has delivered some of the best seasons for the university since 96, yet people act like it couldn't be any worse right now...
Bottom line is Mike will not be fired from Arkansas. He will retire from Arkansas. He will leave the program in better standing in the eyes of other coaches and recruits going forward.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:55 pm to Rzrbackguy
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No matter how far we go the truth is our assistant coaches are not much better than GAs.
Nobody else wants them...nobody else will ever talk to them...and they really don't do much.
Stan Heath and John Pelphrey were thought of as the next big stars in the game while they were assistants.
Nolan's staff was said to be not better than GAs, etc, Mike wasn't capable of being a D1 coach, etc, he proved that thought process wrong long ago.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:21 pm to DaleDenton
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3 or the 4 you mention are playing in practically brand new arenas. All four have had basketball only operations centers (IPF, academic center, etc) for a while now as well.
So, what you are saying, is that It isn't the coaches, but the facilities that are causing the success that Arkansas doesn't currently have?
Or that other school negatively recruit? Well.. duh!
Man, I am not buying it...
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:29 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
I bet we will be in the top 15 in the sec too. 
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:38 pm to Razorback Reverend
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So, what you are saying, is that It isn't the coaches, but the facilities that are causing the success that Arkansas doesn't currently have?
No that isn't what I said.
The perception was Arkansas wasn't serious about basketball.
Illinois outbid us to keep Self.
Houston Nutt had to be the top pay on campus for a decade, or in other words, when Arkansas could actually get any available big name coach, they were welcome as long as they were willing to take less money than other schools were willing to pay.
Arkansas made no effort to keep up in the facilities arm race.
Dana Altman backed out of the job because he wasn't allowed to bring with him glorified tutors that were part of his staff.
The problems for Arkansas basketball has long been deeper than who was the head coach...
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:15 pm to DaleDenton
so, all of those problems are why in year 7... First and second year coaches in the SEC are beating us, and have better records?
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:35 pm to Razorback Reverend
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. First and second year coaches in the SEC are beating us, and have better records?
Fake news, can't you see?
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