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Why did we fire Long?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:30 pm
Was it because he wouldn't hire Gus?
Or because he wouldn't fire Bert?
Just curious. Did we HAVE to be looking for an AD and a coach, or did some a-hole that thought he could get Gus here decide to get his rocks off by firing Long and then botching the hire?
I just want to be on the same page as everyone else.
Or because he wouldn't fire Bert?
Just curious. Did we HAVE to be looking for an AD and a coach, or did some a-hole that thought he could get Gus here decide to get his rocks off by firing Long and then botching the hire?
I just want to be on the same page as everyone else.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:30 pm to ThundrHawg
I think he would have fired Bert.\
Eta: buyout would be one factor
Eta: buyout would be one factor
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:31 pm to ThundrHawg
Gus is ready to come home to a place where he is appreciated and a 2 game losing streak doesn't have his seat hotter than hell.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:40 pm to hilltophog
You're right.
And that is really fricked up.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:45 pm to ThundrHawg
Was it because he wouldn't hire Gus?
Yup
Yup
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:47 pm to ThundrHawg
It was a coup in order to land Gus. Hell, Gus was part of it, especially after that postgame meeting Gus had with some of the key players in the GOBN after the Auburn-Arkansas game. The coup succeeded and then it failed when we were left standing with our dicks in our hands. The plan went to shite when he beat Bama and we had all our eggs in one basket in the form of a known self-righteous shithead who happened to have leverage.
However, let’s not act like Long was sailing on smooth seas. Given the fact that the football program was in the shitter in an historic way and a sizable portion of the fan base hated the shite out of him for myriad reasons (some understandably), his reckoning was coming. It just happened to be sooner rather than later.
However, let’s not act like Long was sailing on smooth seas. Given the fact that the football program was in the shitter in an historic way and a sizable portion of the fan base hated the shite out of him for myriad reasons (some understandably), his reckoning was coming. It just happened to be sooner rather than later.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:48 pm to ArHog
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Was it because he wouldn't hire Gus?
Yup
So we paid him to go away, and he was right.....
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:48 pm to ThundrHawg
Mainly because he sounded like Kermit the Frog and wanted us to be Vanderbilt. Not a strong position for an AD.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:21 pm to Maytheporkbewithyou
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Mainly because he sounded like Kermit the Frog and wanted us to be Vanderbilt. Not a strong position for an AD.
I was a Long supporter up until about 3 years ago, at which point I became a fence sitter who was jaded by the losing and bad contracts. What tore it for me was the constant excuse-making for Bielema and the “not a win at all cost program” bullshite that came out of nowhere, as if he thought winning and running a clean program were mutually exclusive.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:36 am to Feral
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However, let’s not act like Long was sailing on smooth seas. Given the fact that the football program was in the shitter in an historic way and a sizable portion of the fan base hated the shite out of him for myriad reasons (some understandably), his reckoning was coming. It just happened to be sooner rather than later.
The two, possibly three with the GSD, factors that did him in... in my humble opinion... were his support of a failed Bielema and growing concern that Long had badly fouled up the stadium expansion that had been his pet project.
I was a supporter of Long right up until the end but as more details of the cost over runs and potential financial trouble surrounding the expansion came to light... yeah he needed to be fired.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:45 am to Arksulli
quote:I have yet to see any concrete information supporting this and the fact that we offered Gus a crazy amount of money makes me think that the financial problems were exaggerated.
potential financial trouble surrounding the expansion came to light... yeah he needed to be fired.
It's not coincidental that Long was fired shortly after he gave his presentation stating that wms was in bad shape and needing 10 million in renovations to continue hosting the hogs.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:53 am to hilltophog
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I have yet to see any concrete information supporting this and the fact that we offered Gus a crazy amount of money makes me think that the financial problems were exaggerated.
It's not coincidental that Long was fired shortly after he gave his presentation stating that wms was in bad shape and needing 10 million in renovations to continue hosting the hogs.
The financial "trouble" was important insofar as it gave the GOBN donors leverage by which to stage their coup. In other words, they'd continue to pony up (and even go deeper by financing the Gus hire and taking care of the various buyouts required to make the move) if the organization fell in line with their desires, which were to get rid of Long (for the WMS deal, impediment to hiring Gus, and general antipathy they felt toward the 'yankee" who never really fit in) and hire Gus.
Now they're looking like idiots because we've got plenty of their money, but we don't have an AD or a head football coach.
That's my reading of the situation at least. Admittedly, my "sauces" are in the Long camp, so I may have a biased reading on it.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 8:24 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:18 am to hilltophog
What I’d heard from some people who are pretty well connected — though the past few days are proof enough that sauces are usually bullshite — is that Long and his team were way off on their revenue forecast and demand projections with the NEZ. That’s somewhat been given credibility with guys like Rev, as well as a few close friends of mine, being practically begged by the RF/TO to plunk down money for NEZ suites. They outright tried to haggle with at least one person I know.
I’m of the opinion that Long’s ouster was a perfect storm of things that all happened to occur almost simultaneously, most of which were tied to the current state of the football program:
- Football program in the shitter
- Historically abysmal attendance and fan enthusiasm
- NEZ issues (alleged cost overruns and low demand for suites)
- Tone deafness regarding Bert and cultural perceptions
- Hiring Gus was a nonstarter
- Ending WMS games
- Disaffected donors
- Myriad other things (John L. and Dykes hires, WBB kneeling situation
It wasn’t one thing, but rather a litany of things that all seemed to come together this year.
I’m of the opinion that Long’s ouster was a perfect storm of things that all happened to occur almost simultaneously, most of which were tied to the current state of the football program:
- Football program in the shitter
- Historically abysmal attendance and fan enthusiasm
- NEZ issues (alleged cost overruns and low demand for suites)
- Tone deafness regarding Bert and cultural perceptions
- Hiring Gus was a nonstarter
- Ending WMS games
- Disaffected donors
- Myriad other things (John L. and Dykes hires, WBB kneeling situation
It wasn’t one thing, but rather a litany of things that all seemed to come together this year.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:49 am to hilltophog
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I have yet to see any concrete information supporting this and the fact that we offered Gus a crazy amount of money makes me think that the financial problems were exaggerated.
Well the BoT was sold on a 160 million dollar expansion. Now since we are funding 120 million dollars of that with a bond we are going to be paying 9-10 million a year for twenty years to pay off. Best case scenario even Long said the new seats would generate an additional 5 million a year. The other 4-5 million a year? Well someone will pony up the money for it.
Add in the usual circumcision of ten percent cost over runs, which seems to be the case from what I've heard, and we are looking at a price tag of about a quarter of a billion, that is with a B, for the stadium expansion.
A few hundred million here, a few hundred million there, soon we are talking about real money. Add in the BoT watches TV, or attends games, like the rest of us and they are seeing the same half empty stadium we've all seen this year and suddenly there is cause for concern.
When the BoT first approved the decision to move ahead with stadium expansion they were told it would cost about 95 million. Even with interest and circumcision that would be a total cost under 120 million. Not five years later and the probable cost is going to be about twice that. Even though the BoT approved that, they weren't exactly dancing in the streets over it.
A swelling price tag, half empty stadium, and refusing to fire an unpopular coach combined to make Long untenable to keep.
Now there are rumors he may have played fast and loose with funding to make it seem that the athletic department was in better shape financially then it was. Whether they are true or not, in combination with other factors, it was enough to get anyone not named Frank Broyles fired.
I'm just going with numbers I found online and using my calculator to sum up things. I'm sure someone like Stonehog or Rev probably has a better idea of what the total cost will look like then I do. I may very well be way off base. If my estimates are right... that is a lot of money going out.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:52 pm to ThundrHawg
Jeff Long was a disaster, shouldn’t be let anywhere close to another athletic program.
Edit: Unless it’s Texas, then by all means
Edit: Unless it’s Texas, then by all means
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 12:53 pm
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